Wear Rods, what is best.
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EXCESSIVE FORCE
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Same here,but a few more miles for me...Great product/service....
dfattack
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I have used both Triple points and snowtrackers over the last 6 years. Triple points are good, no question about it. I even tried them this year with the new tuner skis from Yamaha on my 2012 Venture GT. I used them for one ride of about 175 miles and switched back to snowtrackers on standard/stock (Non-tuner) skis. The confidence you have with the snowtrackers is superior to the triple points. They last just as long as triple points too. I first tried snowtrackers when I couldn't get through to bergstrom on the phone to order and read about the snowtrackers online. I'm glad I found them because I run them on my Venture and my XTX's. Combine the snowtrackers with power steering...nice combination. I would definitely put the triple points as my #2 choice. It would be interesting to see how many people who suggested triple points or even said they were the best have actually tried the snow trackers...I would bet not many. For years you had to order them through Royal distributing in Ontario, but now they are available from a company in Minnesota.
just offering my own opinion based on comparing the two myself.
just offering my own opinion based on comparing the two myself.
Yep agree I stuggled to get my Bergstroms to handle as well as Aggressive Snowtrackers on the same exact sled you have 2012 Apex XTX. I'm not sure I ever got there considering the Aggressive Snowtrackers were bolt on, check tow at zero & ride with standard settings with all transfer on the track....kinda fustrated me if truth be known.lol I worked hard with adjustmets you bolted on Aggressive Snowtrackers & rode. I did learn what the XTX can & can not do with various settings & Bergstrom triple points + the triple points wear sooooooo well. If you can run with min pressure on your front skis Aggressive Snowtrackers rail & have flickable steering. I do see why Snowtracker install directions advise min pressure up front because they do turn a sled so easily & aggressively ....nothing else like them. Do they wear like triple points I just don't know that yet?... but I'm willing to take a chance since handling is soooooo much better no doubt about that in my mind. Everyone should check out Snowtrackers they are that good & priced about the same as Bergstrom triple points. Always something better as tech moves on & Snowtrackers are the real deal in head to head comparo to triple points on the same exact sleds only difference is I had ice ripper track other sled had no traction devices bone stock track. Aggressive Snowtrackers are the best handling carbide I have ever ridden I have the highest regard for triple points but triple points clearly #2 on Apex XTX.
Pete -- ST's have been discussed at length on DooTalk, with many guys exalting them but a few guys claiming that they're prone to high-siding. What are your thoughts/experiences with this? Also....I know you probably don't trailer much but some of us do; seems like a lot of metal hanging down that would be susceptible to catching on the lip of the trailer bed when driving on. Thoughts?
I'm toying with the idea of trying them but all that metal down there just kinda freaks me out.
I'm toying with the idea of trying them but all that metal down there just kinda freaks me out.
I have low profile slides on my trailer so not an issue for me ...dfattak has no slides on his trailer but neither of us trailer very much & don't think ST will be an issue on my trailer. If high-siding is what I call oversteer where front end digs in & rear end starts breaking loose outside of turn line with too much ski pressure yes I do think that could happen if not set up correctly. ST tells you to set ski pressure preload at 25% to avoid what I call oversteer thus you get very light steering effort but sled will rail in corners. On an Apex XTX I know exactly how to set ST up for mind blowing performance but stock ski is single keel ski. Some Yam riders do use Doo skis & ST & like them on Apex. To me any sled that has heavy steering would benefit from ST carbides & is the undiscovered jewel of carbides. As dfattak said most people have no idea how good ST perform probably about the same place Bergstrom was 10 years ago with triple points now triple points are very common. ST are better than triple points on single keel skis then add eps to that & you are in heaven that much better than triple points.
dfattack
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I pull up to loading ramp on my trailer and slip on the steerable dollies you see in the snowmobile magazines and drive up. My enclosed trailer is rhino lined so I don't want to mess up my floor either. I have never had the steering problems you have heard. I'm not saying it hasn't happened...just thought it hasn't happened to me.
Thanks for the input, guys. I do have ski glides on my trailer so I'm not too worried about that. What I meant was the edge of the trailer (it's a tilt) that contacts the ground when in the loading/unloading position. It sounds like the dolly trick would work on concrete, but what about on snow? I heard of one guy laying down a length of PVC pipe alongside (parallel) to the edge of the trailer and just driving up and over.
As far as the steering issue, I don't know exactly what was meant but what Pete describes sounds accurate to me. In fairness to ST's, it sounded as if most of the guys who were concerned about it had not actually experienced it, but read or heard it about it somewhere.
As far as the steering issue, I don't know exactly what was meant but what Pete describes sounds accurate to me. In fairness to ST's, it sounded as if most of the guys who were concerned about it had not actually experienced it, but read or heard it about it somewhere.
I hear ya but if there is a better mouse trap there is a time to move on as well. STs are a lot better handling wise at least on Yamaha Apex XTX....cost is the same.... so for me having seen the difference time to move on.
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When riding the heaviest sled in the world, (yes world) I can understand why one would need ALL the steering/traction advantage one could get.
On normal sleds I'm not convinced anyone would need to flip TP's for ST's, as TP's haven't presented any problems on my four sleds. (including the tank)
For me it's all about a combo of wear and performance for the dollar so I stick with what I KNOW works.
Not motivated enough to try something different for handling alone, as I have no complaints with any sled I've had Bergstrom products on, so why would I?
Triple Points for me unless ST's are 75 to 100 cheaper, then maybe give it a shot.
On normal sleds I'm not convinced anyone would need to flip TP's for ST's, as TP's haven't presented any problems on my four sleds. (including the tank)
For me it's all about a combo of wear and performance for the dollar so I stick with what I KNOW works.
Not motivated enough to try something different for handling alone, as I have no complaints with any sled I've had Bergstrom products on, so why would I?
Triple Points for me unless ST's are 75 to 100 cheaper, then maybe give it a shot.
I'm moving on to STs because they are better than TPs... STs have aggressive & semi aggressive carbide sets for less bite. All I can do is lead the horse to water & have no interest in making him drink do what you want but be informed of new tech when price is a non issue.
agriffinjd
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Anyone using the bergstrom triple points on the yamaha tuner ski? If so, what other bar you using on the outside keel?
I am on a Doo so take it as you wish. I put the Bergstrom triple point on the center or main and moved the stock (new) OME carbides to the outside. Its the best setup I have ever used on all my sleds. I am on year four and they look very good. This year has been very easy on them as we have had a very good snow year. The firs three I beat them up a tad! Not very good snow.
We haven't had as good of results with carbides on the outside keel of the tuner ski. Not to say that's the same for the Pilot ski.
Chad@M&M