what would you do?

indiana

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Last Sunday my neighbor and his buddy started a fire in his back yard. Then, according to the FD they decided it would be fun to throw aerosol cans and shoot them with a .22. Then it got out of control and spread in to my new pasture...
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The thing is, I had just finished building the damn fence about 3 weeks ago and turned my cattle in there about 2 weeks ago. I worked on it the better part of a year on my days off. I am worried the bottom of the fence will start to rust now that it has been singed (sp?). I am not worried about the fence posts. I know its Feb and grass is not growing but there was a great deal of dormant grass there that the cows were working on and now I am going through more hay.

So they gave the FD the name of the friend who "started the fire" instead of giving them their name and insurance info, (the property owner). Then as it turns out, the friend lied about his insurance on the run report to the FD. So once I found this out I still need their insurance information, so I stopped by, kindly introduced myself and asked them myself. He couldn't be bothered to get up from lounging on the couch and had his wife write down my name and number and proceeded to tell me he will call his insurance agent and have me "fixed right up," (who by the way happened to be the same agent his buddy put down). So then I knew he was lying because that agent, (whom I happen to know) said he had never heard of or had any dealings with them or that property. Great.

So then I found out that the house had burned 4 years ago, it was arson but they couldn't prove who did it so his insurance put him in a new double wide. Now I just assume he; A. has no insurance at all, or B. he is leading me on a wild goose chase about his real insurance to keep his rates from skyrocketing or just dropping him. I would be shocked if he owned the place outright, therefore exempting him from keeping a policy.

I would like to note that he (nor his "friend") never made any attempt to come over, introduce themselves or apologize, or say "hey, can I make it right without getting the insurance involved,", "HAHA got you good!", or anything.

I sincerely believe I am not being frivolous here and everyone I have talked to (my insurance agent, the FD etc. fully agree.) I know the grass will grow back, but I was already cutting it close on hay bales and the fence rusting that has be bothered.

I don't want to file a claim under my own policy, I just need their info, (if they have any). Anyone know how I would go about finding out?

Thanks




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ezra

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first thing call the cops to get the guys for giving false statements to the fire inspector
 

eagle1

Well-known member
File a claim for your loss and let your insurance deal with the losers. You pay premiums for a reason, let them do the leg work.
 

jr37

Well-known member
I don't know if this is fact or not. I once heard that you are entitled to twice the amount of damages caused by someone else whos fire got out of control.
 

indiana

New member
File a claim for your loss and let your insurance deal with the losers. You pay premiums for a reason, let them do the leg work.

Yeah, but I'd be afraid I would end up paying more in the long run after the deductible and premiums go up. Plus, if something else happened, say to the actual house and I had to file another then I would really expect it to get costly...
 

lazer103

Member
what would you do

I currently work for for same insurance company for over 30 years. was a property adjuster for 12 of those years. file a claim. your insurance company will then subrogate
against these morons. The first money they get back goes to you to reimburse you your deductible. Your premiums will not go up. any claim being subrogated is not surchargable. at least that is the way it works at our company. let your insurance company do all the work. that is why you pay premiums.
 

indiana

New member
I currently work for for same insurance company for over 30 years. was a property adjuster for 12 of those years. file a claim. your insurance company will then subrogate
against these morons. The first money they get back goes to you to reimburse you your deductible. Your premiums will not go up. any claim being subrogated is not surchargable. at least that is the way it works at our company. let your insurance company do all the work. that is why you pay premiums.

Thanks for the feedback. You don't by chance work for State Farm - Cincinnati do you??? I have a couple more options I want to exercise before I would start to consider that.
 

MZEMS2

New member
Yeah, get the police, fire dept, and Dept of Natural Resources all involved in it, and make sure they are working with your insurance company. These morons were neglegent and caused property damage. I'm sure they're justthinkin' "it was just grass" so they don't care. But there is the "what if" factor. MAKE THE CLAIM!!!!! Good luck
 

booondocker

New member
You need to assess the damages, for additional feed, damage to fence posts, extra time you have to spend now for replacing the grass....etc.

Then you have two options.

Either file a claim with YOUR insurance company who will then go after the other company if there is one...and likely they have some sort of policy if they still owe on the double wide. (You can go see the local tax assessor to see where the tax bill gets mailed...that is a start, and or register of deeds to see who the mortgage is with and write to the mortgage company who should have a record of what insurance company has the policy....but again, insurance companies can do this quicker and more reliably so that is just another reason to turn this over to YOUR insurance company.

The other option is to take your documented losses to the guy himself, and ask him how he wants to handle it....go to court, or pay personally, or file a claim on his insurance. If he still bogs down....get an attorney and sue him.

You aren't going to make any friends by doing any of this, and nut jobs like this tend to take it personally and might feed your cattle something which will cost you ten times the amount in damages.....so sometimes it is better to suck it up and offer to pay part of the real estate commission if this guy would only MOVE away!
 

indiana

New member
I just realized i accidentally used the exact same tread title as Arctiva. Sorry for the confusion, must have subconsciously wrote it. I would change it if I knew how.

Thanks for all the great advice, I'm still weighing my options.

Yeah I told him it wasn't personal, he said he understood but we'll see...
 
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