A very long story, but Twin Lakes to Wakefield. Ran out of snow south of TL, some ice with red/copper dirt on it but no snow, ran Sunday Lake to the parking lot. No snow, no ice. Waterskipping the whole way, only to have to circle because of fences and decks to find access to parking. And that was in the dark. Basicly wore out 4 skis, 4, 8 inch carbides, 2 tracks, and 4 slides. Made it to work mon morn w/out sleep. And the sleds were almost new before we started the trip. 1350 mile saddle bag trip. On april 15th, 2002 my son and I circled 1st lake in Forest Lake, mn 3.6 miles All water