WI Senate Bill SB-406

[thunderstruck88]

i think it's a sad day period in the whole U S A not just in snowmobiling . I think we should recall the government and go back to the original constituation that Jefferson , Franklin and Washington had for us . Make government simple not complicated!!!!!

 

[whitedust]

Ubee is correct approved Bill 264 hurt snowmobiling in WI badly. Sen Holprin could have pulled snowmobiles out of that bill be he did not. Northwest Vilas county has a strong tree hugger mentaility & very deep pockets so ubee is seeing FR road closings 1st. I'm in NE Vilas where the residents are more open minded to forest useage but since the passage of Bill 264 I fear my FR trails will be blocked off as well. Now here comes Sen Holprin with WI Senate Bill SB-406 which is his method to build a grassroots poltical patronage system with AWSC. Holprin could care less about snowmobiling or he never would have supported Bill 264. You have to open your eyes to everything that is happpening with Holprin he can not be trusted & is indeed reducing your access to WI public land.

 

[ubee]

The state is bull-dozing every logging road,tote road,trail that access state land in the american legion state forest here in vilas county.I guess you still can snowshoe,x-country ski or walk but not sure if wheelchair accessable!We need the awsc to be private lobbyists and not partnerup with the state or snomo clubs will be history!In 4 yrs grass roots guy will retire again and will be rewarded with a high paying position to oversee operations cause he knows the system.hope the taxpayers and voters reward him for all his efforts! over,Iam going riding while I still can!

 

[xcsp]

Fyi-

For anyone interested, State Assembly Rep. Dean Kaufert will be attending the Drifter's Snowmobile Club meeting tonight (Thursday, Feb.11th) in the ballroom of the Rodeo Bar & Grill in Neenah. 7:30p.m. sharp

He will be there to discuss the proposed SB406 bill.


The address for the bar is 2788 Towne Court, right off of County Road II just east of Hyw. 76 in Neenah.

From what I have heard, Mr. Kaufert isn't 100% sold on the bill. Curious to find out what he likes and dislikes about the bill.

 

[jr37]

It is amazing the amount of complaining over an amount of money that is less than 1 tank of gas in a sled. People drive $8-12,000 sleds and complain that it will cost an extra $15 or so a year. This little extra money that it costs each sled owner will be a huge benefit to the clubs. When stop to look at the big picture, this extra money each year is very small in compared to what is already spent. The clubs need this increase, grooming and groomers are expensive. A new groomer will run $125-175,000 dollars. Where do you think that money comes from, not from the dollar you put in the donation box. Stop complaining about this bill, and support it. We need to help one another, not drive a wedge between each other.

 

[harvest1121]

I do not think people will mind paying if all the money goes to snowmobiling and does not line someones pockets. Who will keep track of the money the Goverment? We saw how well this works. I remember the first time I had to pay for a Michigan permit I was like great I can pay for a crackhead in detroit. All this is is a new tax. If the clubs need the money thats fine but funding other projects and not snowmobiling is not what I want.

 

[G]

If the firelanes become unlawful to ride in Wisc I will never bother to go back to Wisc again. Where are you supposed to go when the trails are crap? Also spoke with 2 groomer operators last week that were most definitely getting paid and were quite happy about it. More government always makes things worse.

 

[whitedust]

Grub: Holprin already passed Bill 264 which restricts riding to the marked trail only. So FRs unless marked as a trail are no ride zones & you can get a ticket. Both ubee & I told Holprin to vote No .....he voted Yes & now is law. Iron county WI allows riding FRs in county owned land other than that it is no longer legal. Maybe some counties will mark FRs for riding who knows at this point. Bill 264 was a bad law for snowmobiles but Holprin did not care.

 

[G]

Grub: Holprin already passed Bill 264 which restricts riding to the marked trail only. So FRs unless marked as a trail are no ride zones & you can get a ticket. Both ubee & I told Holprin to vote No .....he voted Yes & now is law. Iron county WI allows riding FRs in county owned land other than that it is no longer legal. Maybe some counties will mark FRs for riding who knows at this point. Bill 264 was a bad law for snowmobiles but Holprin did not care.

That about does it then. Our trip to Wisc last week will be the last one. Each of us spent about $1000 for the week. We have been going there for over 20 years. We will probably just stay in MN next year. I never thought I would see the day when Wisc got to be less sled friendly than MN but it appears to have happened.

 

[whitedust]

All we can do is vote Holprin out in next election but the damage he & his dem. buds are doing to WI motor sports is huge! Life will only will be tougher on Ma & Pa biz in the WI Northwoods.

 

[xcsp]

I attended the meeting and it appears, as I understand it, is that this bill may not be passed (at least not at this time) as there are several people within the House & Senate that are not comfortable with the trail permit cost, that it is too large of an increase, at this time.

Also mentioned that outside of members of snowmobile clubs, the AWSC and the people involved in Madison with the Bill, the rest of the snowmobilers are not or may not be aware of the proposed bill and associated costs that they may face if and when it passes.

Mr. Kaufert mentioned he has proposed a separate Bill on the 55mph night-time speed limit as well as a separate Bill for an increase in snowmobile registration from the current $30 every two years to $40 for that same period. (These may have a better chance to get approval before the end of their legislative session in May than the SB406 Bill.)

He said the 55mph at night really needs to happen as there is a lot of pressure especially with the sledding deaths as the majority of them include alcohol & speed.

Comment was made that the DNR wants results or they'll keep pushing for OWI on a sled to tie in with your driver's license. Next could be a set limit 24/7 such as Minnesota?
(Note to those who drink and ride-better start being more responsible!)

Kaufert felt the $10-per 2 year registration increase would help bring in the monies the clubs need, at least until they can sort out the original bill.

He also stated that people, especially those from outside of the clubs need to contact their representatives and get involved with the proposed legsilation and how they feel about it.

He said he has heard from a lot of club members, but not a lot of others. Understandable if they are not aware of what's going on.

Senator Holprin seems to be looking to Kaufert for guidance as he (Kaufert) is a snowmobiler, whereas others in the House & Senate are not.


Their legislative session ends in May so time is short.

My advice to all concerned sledders, contact your local representatives, contact Mr. Kaufert or Sen. Holprin and voice your opinions, offer ideas on what should be done, what shouldn't be done.

Dean was very open to ideas and is willing to help where he can.