Winter's Prediction a bust for NE Illinois?

xsledder

Active member
Glad to hear there is some sorta model adjustments going on. It appears from your statement that the forecasting industry, like others, need to be a little more prudent in their messaging. Trust me, the phrase "100-year event" often gets interrupted the wrong way, and it is our fault.

John, I read your prediction for the season and I also read your preface about taking a prediction with a grain of salt, so I am not explicitly or implicitly including you in with the bunch of chicken littles. But I also have to agree with toddpolaris to some extent that with today's computing power, why can't the industry get forecasting a little closer? How often are these models updated and new, more sophisticated models are released?

Okay, so yes, maybe the total amount of precipitation was there, but we as humans generally handle rain and snow completely different. (For everyone reading this, please don't bring up the flooding in floodplains or other crazy, extreme situations in response to the next couple of statements. Trust me, I heard them all. But if snobuilder can't resist to being witty, go right ahead snobuilder. I would love to see where your imagination goes.) For most rain events, unless it is a "Noah" type event, it really doesn't affect our everyday lives. Yes, we might have to reroute our way to a destination because of road flooding, or have a saturated yard, but within a few days in the worst case scenario we are back to business as usual. (Yes, it impacts the farmers more.)

However, if there is going to be say 6+ inches or more snow, it starts impacting peoples lives depending on the person's circumstances. (Too numerous to list so I will let your imagination have at it.) Not to mention the crazies out there using these types of events and results to their benefit for advancing public policy, which in the end might be detrimental to society. So back to one of my earlier statements, maybe the industry needs to be more prudent in their messaging. I would settle for objectivity and less emotion in their reporting.
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
Funny thing is we as a society are more prepared to handle and navigate a winter snowstorm than ever before.
Food and fuel are more convenient and plentiful than ever for us to get into our AWD/4WD vehicles and get to.

what's the difference today over 50 years ago?....the ever present hype machine media.
 

euphoric1

Well-known member
First I want to say that John this is no way an attack on your predictions or ability to forecast the weather, as I find yours to be more realistic, this is directed solely at the media outlets. I have to agree with snowbuilder and have to disagree with the "total" moisture theory, I have a business that is very weather dependent this time of the year and I also plow snow as well so I not only follow but rely on weather forecasts, This morning one of the local channels actually apologized for how off the forecast was, the others were back peddling trying to use the total moisture theory, I watch and follow the news very closely when a storm of this magnitude is coming our way and what they forget is we were predicted to have rain friday night before the temperature dropped enough to change to snow, secondly they also said the snow wasn't expected to start until saturday and the heaviest until after 2 p.m. and then it was 6 p.m. I dont know if they were hoping people didnt pay attention but the storm did play out like predicted, we knew we were going to have rain friday night but I never saw the "heaviest snow" that was supposed to fall saturday afternoon or saturday night, in my opinion they blew it. seems more often than not and its very frustrating to those who rely on snow for work and play.
 

old abe

Well-known member
Funny thing is we as a society are more prepared to handle and navigate a winter snowstorm than ever before.
Food and fuel are more convenient and plentiful than ever for us to get into our AWD/4WD vehicles and get to.

what's the difference today over 50 years ago?....the ever present hype machine media.

Maybe the difference is good old common sense?
 

Highflyer

Active member
First I want to say that John this is no way an attack on your predictions or ability to forecast the weather, as I find yours to be more realistic, this is directed solely at the media outlets. I have to agree with snowbuilder and have to disagree with the "total" moisture theory, I have a business that is very weather dependent this time of the year and I also plow snow as well so I not only follow but rely on weather forecasts, This morning one of the local channels actually apologized for how off the forecast was, the others were back peddling trying to use the total moisture theory, I watch and follow the news very closely when a storm of this magnitude is coming our way and what they forget is we were predicted to have rain friday night before the temperature dropped enough to change to snow, secondly they also said the snow wasn't expected to start until saturday and the heaviest until after 2 p.m. and then it was 6 p.m. I dont know if they were hoping people didnt pay attention but the storm did play out like predicted, we knew we were going to have rain friday night but I never saw the "heaviest snow" that was supposed to fall saturday afternoon or saturday night, in my opinion they blew it. seems more often than not and its very frustrating to those who rely on snow for work and play.

If your work is very weather dependent and you plow snow.....I wouldn’t watch/depend on the local new at all for weather updates. All those forecasters will do is confuse you. Plenty of other sources for more consistent and reliable forecast.

For the record, this last storm stump pretty much everyone at any level. I know of at least two paid for weather services that issued apologies for being wrong on the recent storm.
 
if weather forecasters were held to other professional standards they would be fired immediately, at best they are 60% accurate , 50% of the time. It’s a imperfect science, to many variables.
 
The only time I ever watch the local weather reports from Chicago on tv is when snow is coming and they treat it as armageddon every time just like last week. All to get ratings. It's annoying to a snow lover. Then during the NFL game on Fox Sunday I see the weather guy break in and say "50 degrees by mid week". And I'm thinking what is this guy talking about? That's not true. He's just trying to tell the general public what they want to hear. So I stick to internet forecasts like John's. He's the only weather person I know that actually wants it to snow.
 

chords

Active member
NWS in Chicago has it down to an exact science. Predicting " Total ice accumulations of a
light glaze to a few hundredths of an inch." Whatt ? Maybe just stick with the light glaze.
 
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