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snobuilder

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Team Elkhorn said:
If you're an active club member, then you know other clubs in our area are having a hard time finding help to work their trails and the surrounding clubs have needed jump in to fill the void. So we should both be in agreement that there is a growing problem? So again my question to you is, how do we get more members to join clubs and become ACTIVE in the sport of snowmobiling. Most clubs have fund raisers and trail side events and try to draw new people that way. If your club is growing with active younger members just by word of mouth, what's the secret?

Whos not relaxed? we're just having a conversion.:confused:
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Huh?...i'm relaxed too.

I never claimed there wasn't a potential problem with a lack of new young members. I think our slight dissagreement is that you think cap/step addresses the problem. I don't.
It reminds me alot of the forced volunteerism the high schools latched onto over the past couple decades as they threaten to not graduate students unless they show proof of 40 hrs. of being a volunteer....Ya gotta want to...and the lack a new young volunteers in a fun activity like sleddin shows the HS volunteerism program to be a huge failure.

I think the bill will eventually pass because it is the easy thing to do...sit back , let the state legislature take care of it and everything will be just fine, afterall....membership numbers will be UP!....LOL

BTW does anyone remember back a couple years ago when the cap/step idea was first introed? We were told there would be a one time registration and then yearly trail passes to buy. Now you pay $30.00 for 3 years and if you sell your sled after a month, year, 2 years you need to register a new sled at another $30.00....as far as I understand.
 
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Team Elkhorn

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snobuilder said:
Huh?...i'm relaxed too.

I never claimed there wasn't a potential problem with a lack of new young members. I think our slight dissagreement is that you think cap/step addresses the problem. I don't.
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I don't believe I ever said it was a sure fire solution to the problem. I agree it reads more confusing than it needs to be. But if only 10 or 15% of the people coerced, as you say, into joining a club start going to meetings and become active in the sport, its better than doing nothing at all. The problem with the volunteer system is, no one has any free time....... until its time to ride. And I still haven't heard any better ideas to get more people active in the sport yet.
On another note, did I read it right, I get my vintage sled's trail sticker free?:D
 
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snobuilder

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I don't think you think it is a sure fire solution ...I said you think it addresses the problem, which you admittedly do with your 10-15% comment which btw I hope you are correct about.
I guess if my saying a discount to get ppl to join a club is defined as coercion you can imply that i used the word....LOL

sorry, but i just can't let it go when my words get changed....LOL
 
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VintageRider

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YES!!! the way this is coming together. Sleds 30 years and older (vintage) will get there trail pass for free. Doesn't matter if you're a AWSC club member or not. All you pay for is the 3 year/$30 registration.

That's $10 per year, which is $5 per year less than were currently paying!!!
 
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Deleted member 10829

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snobuilder said:
BTW does anyone remember back a couple years ago when the cap/step idea was first introed? We were told there would be a one time registration and then yearly trail passes to buy. Now you pay $30.00 for 3 years and if you sell your sled after a month, year, 2 years you need to register a new sled at another $30.00....as far as I understand.
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$10 a year for registration and you're concerned about what happens if you sell it early? Arey you saying you should get a prorated refund?

snobuiler,

I'm just curious what your involvement is in a snowmobile club. What club do you belong to and what volunteering do you do?
 
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POLARISDAN

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renegade said:
You can justify paying $50 for oil but not justify the need to raise the trail passes? Something is wrong with your thinking. The reasons there is a need to raise the pass is the same argument, $4 diesel, higher oil and maintenance costs, etc. It just flat out needs to be done. Our grooming hours are used up for the year, there is the most snow we have had all year on the ground now and supplemental is going to be in the 20-30% range. There just needs to be more money in the system. Buy cheaper oil, use the money to buy the trail pass. Problem solved! You obviously make a good living and must be intelligent to do so. There are ways you could cut costs to find the money to buy the pass, just saying.
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I would agree if I lived in wisco or had a place and rode there..my point is for me only..riding wisco is a luxury to explore new places..not a necessity..and upping the costs for multiples just doesn't make sense for me..I'll have 500 in trail passes easy..certainly not saying its not warranted or justified..but do think it'll push some people away which would put less pressure..and maybe intended consequence
 
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snobuilder

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mspease said:
$10 a year for registration and you're concerned about what happens if you sell it early? Arey you saying you should get a prorated refund?

snobuiler,

I'm just curious what your involvement is in a snowmobile club. What club do you belong to and what volunteering do you do?
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Who said anything about a refund? ...a transfer would be reasonable,... just like your road vehicles... you'd transfer them if there was time left on the plates wouldn't you?
And if you don't a have an answer for my question about a one time registration fee that was originally proposed,...as you quoted me... where do get off askin me to prove my club membership?

If you think the cap/step is a good idea and the solution then please explain your reasons in detail and we can have a reasonable discussion.
Personnally I don't think all of the logistics have been thought out or decided beyond the basis of fees for registrtion and trail passes.

Let's hear your thoughts beyond taking me to task.
 
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Deleted member 10829

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My point is I never hear people that are VERY involved in their club and know what it takes to get trails in shape and where our clubs are heading, going on and on complaining about this program. If the complainers only put as much effort into being a positive influence on their clubs and trails in their areas, our problem would be solved.

It's much easier to just sit behind a keyboard and whine.
 
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lotoftoys

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The bottom line is. Currently I am in Vilas riding the perfect trails everywhere. I come around a corner and see a $200,000 tractor pulling a ? price drag; burning $4 diesel and probably a volunteer driver. Then there is pre-season brushing and grading; signing ; land easements insurance and the cost of maintaining that equipment. In my opinion we are still getting a great deal. I understand the family multible sled costs ect. But fun like this does come free. Join a club and enjoy the sport.Thanks!
 
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blu2u2

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This is a "hot" topic and it appears some have strong opinions regarding the issue. When I tried to get opinions on the WI trail funding issue with my poll on this site less than 150 votes were cast. Now that it looks like we are in the final hour of having the CAP/STEP be voted on and hopefully passed into law; I am afraid it is a little late to try and change things now. Change is sometimes hard to handle; however, in WI something needs to be done. As lotoftoys stated above, it cost a lot to get and keep the trails in good condition!
 
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whitedust

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blu2u2 said:
This is a "hot" topic and it appears some have strong opinions regarding the issue. When I tried to get opinions on the WI trail funding issue with my poll on this site less than 150 votes were cast. Now that it looks like we are in the final hour of having the CAP/STEP be voted on and hopefully passed into law; I am afraid it is a little late to try and change things now. Change is sometimes hard to handle; however, in WI something needs to be done. As lotoftoys stated above, it cost a lot to get and keep the trails in good condition!
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Not sure how often you vist JD but thre has been a whole lot of discussion about CAP/STEP over a few years here. If CAP/STEP passes it passes & we are going to pay more no matter what happens with or without CAP/STEP. More money is necessary so does it really matter how it is done?.... + CAP/STEP has setting sun if doesn't work bye bye new structure will replace it. When I see setting sun conditions to anything new it means end result is an unknown & need option to discard non working program if unprodutive. CAP/STEP if passes is wait & see at best or would not have setting sun conditions.
 
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whitedust

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blu2u2 said:
whitedust please check to see the one who started the following thread....http://www.johndee.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?34673-WI-Trail-Funding-Poll

I was also trying to point out that the above thread didn't get the votes/attention that I was hoping for since this thread has almost half the remarks and is less than one week old. That is why I said it was a "hot" topic vs. my old thread!
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IMO the poll did get a lot of attention JD polls don't draw 100s-1000s of votes if that is what you were hoping for. Polls come & go here & if not TTT out of sight & out of mind but this one did very well compared to others.
 
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snobuilder

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OP quote #1

"TO: All AWSC County Directors, Representatives and Past Presidents
FROM: Morris Nelson, Legislative Committee Chair Members & AWSC Executive Committee
RE: Results of JFC Action on CAP/STEP Bills
DATE: February 19, 2014
Earlier today the Joint Finance Committee (JFC) passed Assembly Bill 407 and Senate Bill 343, the CAP/STEP bills. The final vote on passage was 14-1. Thanks to all of you who contacted legislators requesting their support. We strongly recommend you make follow-up calls to thank those legislators for their votes in support.
As a result of Joint Finance’s actions, CAP/STEP now includes a two-tiered trail pass requirement at an annual cost of $30/non-member and $10/club & AWSC member along with the measure to provide a free annual trail pass sticker to be displayed on sleds 30 years and older. Also included is an increase in the non-resident trail pass fee from current $35/year to $50/year.
JFC amended the bills to include the following: The fee for registrations will be $30 for 3 years. Previously, the bills featured a $30 fee for 2 years of valid registration. In addition, JFC added a 4-year sunset clause which simply means the CAP/STEP program will be evaluated after a term of four years and will then require renewal.
The next phase for CAP/STEP is for the full Assembly and full Senate to take up the bills. Passage by both houses would then direct the bills to the Governor for his consideration. "

From reading the trail pass and reg. fees as it stands now, the rates were raise from the JFC recommendation.
 
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skidoorevrider

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let me get this straight. so I pay a $30 3 yr. regs. and $30 dollar a year trail pass or I pay a $30 3 yr. regs. and a $10 dollar a year trail pass if I belong to a club?? so if a club membership cost me $25 a year where is the savings by belonging to a club?? I know more money will go to the club and not the state. but I just dont see how belonging to a club has any benefits to it.
 
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skidoorevrider said:
but I just dont see how belonging to a club has any benefits to it.
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Thank goodness not everyone has that attitude or you would have no trails to ride on! Without clubs, there would be no trails. Until you join a club, and hopefully become a little active, I wouldn't make that comment. No one would say that if they knew what went into maintaining these trails! We need the younger generation to get involved at the club level or there will be no clubs in 15 years.
 
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