Joining a club is not enough. Activitity is the most important part of that statement. I belong to a couple different clubs and not just snowmobiling. If you have 10% of the membership activily doing anything you have a good club. And it is the same people year after year who make the club tick.
Wisconsin Cap/Step News! Read Below
- Thread starter ridindirty800
- Start date
Joining a club is not enough. Activitity is the most important part of that statement. I belong to a couple different clubs and not just snowmobiling. If you have 10% of the membership activily doing anything you have a good club. And it is the same people year after year who make the club tick.
skidoorevrider
New member
I do belong to a club in south west wisconsin. if you think this is going to get more help in the clubs my guess is your wrong. all I can see this doing is getting more names in the club and not people.
ridindirty800
Active member
I agree somewhat with you, many people will be joining just to save some money. But if you get 20 new people and even if you can pull 5 of them into actual helping it could be really good. I know 5 extra bodies would go a long way when it comes to trail in the area my club marks. Also if some of these people would just give it a shot they may see how much fun being part of a club can be. Time will tell, that is why there is 4 year trail and they may change some things if they are not working.
upnorthman
New member
The only way to save money in this sport is to leave them in the garage all year!! This WILL generate more money for the clubs and more importantly more money for the grooming. If we keep having winters like the last 2 will never have enough money for fuel. And like the 800 said I will take 5 extra people in our club to help with trails (or anything for that matter) in heartbeat. If you want to see something interesting go to the Bo-Boen club website in St.Germain and look at the fuel cost for grooming, they have a running tally right there for all to see. Sadly there are a lot of people that can just write a check for all the increases but what they don't understand is we need there help along with there money. VOLUNTEERS ARE VITAL TO THE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS SPORT!!!!!! without them trails will slowly disappear!!
snobuilder
Well-known member
How will leaving the sleds in the garage save grooming costs?....Most clubs regroom on a ridged schedule whether it is needed or not.
We do a lot of midweek riding and see this first hand on the low use trails we were on that the trails were just as nice in front of the diesel gobbling groomer as behind.
I think money could be saved if clubs could have the flexibility to do site checks or have spotters give trail cond. updates to control costs
on many remote trails, a club that grooms on Tues and then grooms again on Thur. or Friday when it might not be needed....just my $.02
I think it is a great idea! My wife and I are both on our club board. Always been and always will be a club member!!! I would like to see two different stickers too. One style for club members and one about 1/2 the windshield for non-club members. I am talking for residents. A lot of non-club members have no idea what is involved to maintain and get permission for the trail system. It is not always an easy task but the non-members are always there to ride on them and are always the first to bitch that they aren't open or groomed good enough. When someone bitches to me about the trails, first thing I do is ask what club they belong to and usually shuts them right up. Join a club and make it easier for everyone. United we trail, divided we fail!!!
My hope is that when the clubs get more money to operate the equipment, that they use it to groom on Friday and Saturday nights so that the working people have a chance to ride on nice trails instead of just the weekday riders. So many times I see that the trails have been groomed Monday, Tuesday come on up and ride during the week. Then when you get out on the trail early Saturday or Sunday morning the trail is all beat up. Spending the grooming dollars during the daytime is not cost effective, the trail never has time to setup hard.
That would be pretty cool!
renegade600
Active member
It will be interesting how it all works out in the end....
I think that those looking for a "savings" by joining a club are mistaken. by the time the club membership is factored in, it will be no cheaper, and some cases more expensive than not joining a club...The only difference is the appropriation of the funds. The benefit of the club will be more membership, but that does not always equate to more people to do the work and help out (I know this from the non-profit I'm currently a part of)... I do hope clubs pick up some quality membership.... it is NEEDED.....
I'm not sold on the idea at all of the multiple stickers. This is just a, to put it bluntly, pain in the arse......If i wanted stickers all over my sled, I would have left all the factory stickers on it.... I think I will just start with putting on the new ones every year and not peel the old ones off... before long I'll have a DNR "Wrap".......
Not to be a "Negative Nellie", but I wonder if every dollar that goes into the Cap/Step will actually make it where it "should" go..... or if some will get funneled off like every other Government increase....is there going to be transparency on where every dollar goes?.......
I think that those looking for a "savings" by joining a club are mistaken. by the time the club membership is factored in, it will be no cheaper, and some cases more expensive than not joining a club...The only difference is the appropriation of the funds. The benefit of the club will be more membership, but that does not always equate to more people to do the work and help out (I know this from the non-profit I'm currently a part of)... I do hope clubs pick up some quality membership.... it is NEEDED.....
I'm not sold on the idea at all of the multiple stickers. This is just a, to put it bluntly, pain in the arse......If i wanted stickers all over my sled, I would have left all the factory stickers on it.... I think I will just start with putting on the new ones every year and not peel the old ones off... before long I'll have a DNR "Wrap".......
Not to be a "Negative Nellie", but I wonder if every dollar that goes into the Cap/Step will actually make it where it "should" go..... or if some will get funneled off like every other Government increase....is there going to be transparency on where every dollar goes?.......
D
Deleted member 10829
Guest
I agree, daytime grooming doesn't do much good, but trying to get volunteers to give up every Friday and Saturday night for 6-8 hours in the groomer is a lot to ask. It's getting tougher every year to keep good groomers. I was the only experienced groomer to return this year for the sections we do. The beginning of the season was a nightmare for me trying to get trails ready and training 3 new groomers! Many groomers are working people too (me included), so that makes it even harder to give up a weekend night. We do our best to keep them as smooth as we can with what we have to work with.
xsledder
Active member
I think I'm going to quit registering my sleds in Wisconsin and just get the $50 permit for each sled each year and register only in Illinois. There is no reason for joining a Wisconsin club since I was recently elected President of my club, and I already brush and mark trails in Illinois. So, joining a Wisconsin club will do nothing for the club or for me. I'm not complaining but how does losing a Wisconsin registration now effect the clubs' revenue? Will clubs get more or less revenue now? (It was always my understanding that it was better to register in Wisconsin than buying the permit because more registration money went to the clubs.)
Yep, you beat me to it. Law goes into effect July 1, 2015.
Now I can't wait to see what the Governors Snowmobile Recreation Council does with the money. It will be interesting to see where the money goes. Will the clubs be paid more per mile of funded trail, or will hourly labor and grooming rates increase? Funding of unfunded trails, more bridge money? We'll have to wait and see..............
snobuilder
Well-known member
Nancy?
garyl62
Active member
So I've read back through many of the posts and I could have missed it, but will it end up being $10 a year for registration, $10 a year for a permit, and $20 for club dues, but if you don't join a club it will be $30 a year for the permit, so $40 either way? I realize it's not just a one year deal, but I'm trying to break it down to an annual expense. If you don't register in WI it will be $50 for the trail pass.
Don't want to turn this into a "is it worth $50 for a trail pass" debate, but I'm with xsledder a few posts up. I don't ride in the same area in WI very often so not sure what club to join unless all I'm doing is sending in a check. I doubt I'd ever go work with them since I go to the UP to do that. I've only put on about 50 miles in WI over the past 4 years so at $40 or $50 a year I'll probably wait until I plan a trip someplace then buy a pass. Might end up only being once every 4 or 5 years instead of just mailing in my registration check every other year like now. Although I haven't registered in Il for several years, I'm about ready to now so that if I want to just take a spur of the moment ride I'll do it in IL since it's closer to home for me.
I'm not saying it's not worth the higher cost, and I know they need to increase revenue, I'm just saying I'll wait till I plan an actual trip to buy my permit instead of automatically buying one every two years.
Don't want to turn this into a "is it worth $50 for a trail pass" debate, but I'm with xsledder a few posts up. I don't ride in the same area in WI very often so not sure what club to join unless all I'm doing is sending in a check. I doubt I'd ever go work with them since I go to the UP to do that. I've only put on about 50 miles in WI over the past 4 years so at $40 or $50 a year I'll probably wait until I plan a trip someplace then buy a pass. Might end up only being once every 4 or 5 years instead of just mailing in my registration check every other year like now. Although I haven't registered in Il for several years, I'm about ready to now so that if I want to just take a spur of the moment ride I'll do it in IL since it's closer to home for me.
I'm not saying it's not worth the higher cost, and I know they need to increase revenue, I'm just saying I'll wait till I plan an actual trip to buy my permit instead of automatically buying one every two years.
snobuilder
Well-known member
2013 Assembly BILL 407
Current law prohibits a person from operating a snowmobile in this state unless
the snowmobile is covered by a public-use or private-use registration issued by the
Department of Natural Resources (DNR) or is exempt from registration. A person
who owns a snowmobile is generally exempt from snowmobile registration
requirements in this state if the snowmobile is covered by a valid registration in
another state or country.
Under current law, a person who owns a snowmobile that is not registered in
this state or is exempt from registration must display a trail use sticker issued by
DNR on the snowmobile. The fee for this sticker issued for a snowmobile that is
exempt from registration is $34.25. This bill, with limited exceptions, requires all
snowmobiles to display a trail use sticker, regardless of whether the snowmobile is
registered in this state. The bill provides that the fee for a trail use sticker issued
for a snowmobile that is registered in this state is $14.25 if the snowmobile is owned
by a snowmobile club member and $34.25 if the owner does not belong to a
snowmobile club.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill also increases the fee for trail use stickers issued to persons who own
snowmobiles that are exempt from registration from $34.25 to $44.25. In addition,
the bill provides that there is no fee for a trail use sticker issued for any snowmobile
that is at least 25 years old.
Current law requires DNR to calculate an amount equal to the number of trail
use stickers issued by DNR in the previous fiscal year to owners of snowmobiles that
are exempt from registration multiplied by $32 and to credit this amount to an
appropriation account that funds aids to counties for activities such as trail
development and maintenance. This bill changes the amount of the multiplier for
purposes of this calculation to $44.25.
For further information see the state and local fiscal estimate, which will be
printed as an appendix to this bill
\
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _
2013 Senate BILL 343
Current law prohibits a person from operating a snowmobile in this state unless
the snowmobile is covered by a public-use or private-use registration issued by the
Department of Natural Resources (DNR) or is exempt from registration. A person
who owns a snowmobile is generally exempt from snowmobile registration
requirements in this state if the snowmobile is covered by a valid registration in
another state or country.
Under current law, a person who owns a snowmobile that is not registered in
this state or is exempt from registration must display a trail use sticker issued by
DNR on the snowmobile. The fee for this sticker issued for a snowmobile that is
exempt from registration is $34.25. This bill, with limited exceptions, requires all
snowmobiles to display a trail use sticker, regardless of whether the snowmobile is
registered in this state. The bill provides that the fee for a trail use sticker issued
for a snowmobile that is registered in this state is $14.25 if the snowmobile is owned
by a snowmobile club member and $34.25 if the owner does not belong to a
snowmobile club.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill also increases the fee for trail use stickers issued to persons who own
snowmobiles that are exempt from registration from $34.25 to $44.25. In addition,
the bill provides that there is no fee for a trail use sticker issued for any snowmobile
that is at least 25 years old.
Current law requires DNR to calculate an amount equal to the number of trail
use stickers issued by DNR in the previous fiscal year to owners of snowmobiles that
are exempt from registration multiplied by $32 and to credit this amount to an
appropriation account that funds aids to counties for activities such as trail
development and maintenance. This bill changes the amount of the multiplier for
purposes of this calculation to $44.25.
For further information see the state and local fiscal estimate, which will be
printed as an appendix to this bill.
Current law prohibits a person from operating a snowmobile in this state unless
the snowmobile is covered by a public-use or private-use registration issued by the
Department of Natural Resources (DNR) or is exempt from registration. A person
who owns a snowmobile is generally exempt from snowmobile registration
requirements in this state if the snowmobile is covered by a valid registration in
another state or country.
Under current law, a person who owns a snowmobile that is not registered in
this state or is exempt from registration must display a trail use sticker issued by
DNR on the snowmobile. The fee for this sticker issued for a snowmobile that is
exempt from registration is $34.25. This bill, with limited exceptions, requires all
snowmobiles to display a trail use sticker, regardless of whether the snowmobile is
registered in this state. The bill provides that the fee for a trail use sticker issued
for a snowmobile that is registered in this state is $14.25 if the snowmobile is owned
by a snowmobile club member and $34.25 if the owner does not belong to a
snowmobile club.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill also increases the fee for trail use stickers issued to persons who own
snowmobiles that are exempt from registration from $34.25 to $44.25. In addition,
the bill provides that there is no fee for a trail use sticker issued for any snowmobile
that is at least 25 years old.
Current law requires DNR to calculate an amount equal to the number of trail
use stickers issued by DNR in the previous fiscal year to owners of snowmobiles that
are exempt from registration multiplied by $32 and to credit this amount to an
appropriation account that funds aids to counties for activities such as trail
development and maintenance. This bill changes the amount of the multiplier for
purposes of this calculation to $44.25.
For further information see the state and local fiscal estimate, which will be
printed as an appendix to this bill
\
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _
2013 Senate BILL 343
Current law prohibits a person from operating a snowmobile in this state unless
the snowmobile is covered by a public-use or private-use registration issued by the
Department of Natural Resources (DNR) or is exempt from registration. A person
who owns a snowmobile is generally exempt from snowmobile registration
requirements in this state if the snowmobile is covered by a valid registration in
another state or country.
Under current law, a person who owns a snowmobile that is not registered in
this state or is exempt from registration must display a trail use sticker issued by
DNR on the snowmobile. The fee for this sticker issued for a snowmobile that is
exempt from registration is $34.25. This bill, with limited exceptions, requires all
snowmobiles to display a trail use sticker, regardless of whether the snowmobile is
registered in this state. The bill provides that the fee for a trail use sticker issued
for a snowmobile that is registered in this state is $14.25 if the snowmobile is owned
by a snowmobile club member and $34.25 if the owner does not belong to a
snowmobile club.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The bill also increases the fee for trail use stickers issued to persons who own
snowmobiles that are exempt from registration from $34.25 to $44.25. In addition,
the bill provides that there is no fee for a trail use sticker issued for any snowmobile
that is at least 25 years old.
Current law requires DNR to calculate an amount equal to the number of trail
use stickers issued by DNR in the previous fiscal year to owners of snowmobiles that
are exempt from registration multiplied by $32 and to credit this amount to an
appropriation account that funds aids to counties for activities such as trail
development and maintenance. This bill changes the amount of the multiplier for
purposes of this calculation to $44.25.
For further information see the state and local fiscal estimate, which will be
printed as an appendix to this bill.