Wisconsin Trail Pass - thumbs down

[skidude67]

In preparation for a trip on 1/27 I ordered two Non-Resident passes on 1/20 (yes, I know I should have ordered earlier) and they arrived in one envelope on 1/31. Rode 1/27 & 28 with receipts but never encountered DNR or any other LE. Still not sure why these passes cannot be purchased at retail outlets as in past years as they are identical to last years pass with the exception of the color.

 

[soxfan3]

Exactly my problem with the current system. It was a total waste of money to mail you the stickers. Employee time spent, envelope, sticker & postage all money wasted. And unless you go back up north, the stickers will never even get put on a sled, unless you sell them to someone else who is going up for a small fee.

 

[snobuilder]

Never once did I say I felt good about not being able to get a pass over the counter. If you would pay attention you would already know this. You just want to bash AWSC and cap step any chance you get. It's obvious you really know very little about either one with your prior comments about the subjects. Reread your post about break even amounts. Not even close! You want to bash AWSC for something they have done or are doing. Go right ahead. But I'm not letting you make crap up. It's the DNR! They are not printing ANYTHING over the counter. What does cap step have to do with ATV registration? Nothing. You can't get that over a counter either. The fact is if cap step did not exist, out of state passes would still NOT be available over the counter. I would suggest your energy will better be served calling and complaining to the DNR instead of spreading false rumors on the internet!

I see alot of chatter from you yet no hard numbers to back up your words.
Anyone who is spouting off that cap step revenue numbers are a complete success this early can not be trusted ....nothing but propaganda for the non thinkers to hear and feel good about.
Said it before. It will take at least a 5 year avg to know if revenues are up. and even then, what will we be comparing the cap step revenue numbers to? Most agreed that additional revenue is needed but many also said keep it simple with a registration hike. So if a comparison is eventually done it has to be compared to a simple hike in registration fees.
As far as additional members go, it is panning out just as I said it would, more members yet the same volunteers are doing all the extra work that cap step requires to be any sort of success.
Most new members see the "success" as a discounted trail pass....THAT IS IT!
Bigger bureaucracy never equals an efficient method of revenue collection.
DNR didn't lobby for Cap Step, the AWSC did. The onus to see it through is squarely on the backs of them who lobbied for it....the AWSC.

 

[1fujifilm]

Exactly my problem with the current system. It was a total waste of money to mail you the stickers. Employee time spent, envelope, sticker & postage all money wasted. And unless you go back up north, the stickers will never even get put on a sled, unless you sell them to someone else who is going up for a small fee.

Good point, I see the duplication of service. Governments are generally the last to recognize the duplication as the taxpayers fund the overspend.
Businesses cant allow for them as they will reduce profitability.

Bear

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In preparation for a trip on 1/27 I ordered two Non-Resident passes on 1/20 (yes, I know I should have ordered earlier) and they arrived in one envelope on 1/31. Rode 1/27 & 28 with receipts but never encountered DNR or any other LE. Still not sure why these passes cannot be purchased at retail outlets as in past years as they are identical to last years pass with the exception of the color.

The DNR and some Sheriffs are out there though, I witnessed a "sting" type area on Tuesday of this week. Most will be fine, but you could be asked for further scrutiny should the officer choose. Just the time commitment can be time-consuming as radio calls are needed etc.

Bear

 

[gottawanna1]

The theory of "send it in ahead of time" doesn't always work, we bought a couple leftover sleds in December and something so basic turned into a circus act, it is rediculous, and dont even get me going on the double magazine deal, that is SO cost effective. Does anyone in business think there is anything better than customers standing at a gate waiting to hand you cash, paid in full..jeeez, print the darn sticker.

 

[old abe]

I see alot of chatter from you yet no hard numbers to back up your words.
Anyone who is spouting off that cap step revenue numbers are a complete success this early can not be trusted ....nothing but propaganda for the non thinkers to hear and feel good about.
Said it before. It will take at least a 5 year avg to know if revenues are up. and even then, what will we be comparing the cap step revenue numbers to? Most agreed that additional revenue is needed but many also said keep it simple with a registration hike. So if a comparison is eventually done it has to be compared to a simple hike in registration fees.
As far as additional members go, it is panning out just as I said it would, more members yet the same volunteers are doing all the extra work that cap step requires to be any sort of success.
Most new members see the "success" as a discounted trail pass....THAT IS IT!
Bigger bureaucracy never equals an efficient method of revenue collection.
DNR didn't lobby for Cap Step, the AWSC did. The onus to see it through is squarely on the backs of them who lobbied for it....the AWSC.

Very well stated snobuilder!!! That says it all.

 

[renegade]

I see alot of chatter from you yet no hard numbers to back up your words.
Anyone who is spouting off that cap step revenue numbers are a complete success this early can not be trusted ....nothing but propaganda for the non thinkers to hear and feel good about.
Said it before. It will take at least a 5 year avg to know if revenues are up. and even then, what will we be comparing the cap step revenue numbers to? Most agreed that additional revenue is needed but many also said keep it simple with a registration hike. So if a comparison is eventually done it has to be compared to a simple hike in registration fees.
As far as additional members go, it is panning out just as I said it would, more members yet the same volunteers are doing all the extra work that cap step requires to be any sort of success.
Most new members see the "success" as a discounted trail pass....THAT IS IT!
Bigger bureaucracy never equals an efficient method of revenue collection.
DNR didn't lobby for Cap Step, the AWSC did. The onus to see it through is squarely on the backs of them who lobbied for it....the AWSC.

I think you need to reread my last post. I never once in this entire thread gave any increased revenue numbers from cap step. I merely corrected your mistake when you tried to claim it would take over $3,000,000 to break even. You are not even close on that one. For the most part, there is no reason to give you any hard numbers, you won't beleive them anyway. If you reread my last post you would understand the DNR is not printing anything anymore over any counter at all! Not atv, not utv, not boat, not snowmobile. Tell me, what does the AWSC have to do with ATV stickers?

 

[snobuilder]

Based on the change from $30 per 2 year registration period to a $30 per 3 year period, if 250,000 sleds are registered in WI the trail passes need to make up a loss in revenue of $3,750,000 every 2 years to remain even.
Any claims of increased trail funding income at this point in the new process are pretentious.

Renegade , you need to reread a few posts....I never said $3 million per year... $3,750,000 every 2 years or $1,875,000 per year based on 250,000 registrations.
(Correct amount should be $1,250,000 per year)

I see the latest record of total reg. in WI is 220,000. At that total it will take $1,100,000 per year to> stay even< with the old $30 per 2 year fee. We need to watch where the total number of registered sleds is headed under cap step and how many ppl are buying the reduced rate trail pass as club members.

 

[red_dog]

It snows hard, we go buy stickers and go. I want the sticker now on my way, not when I get back, makes no sense. They print other items out, print the sticker right there. This year we'll just keep rolling to MI.

 

[snobuilder]

It snows hard, we go buy stickers and go. I want the sticker now on my way, not when I get back, makes no sense. They print other items out, print the sticker right there. This year we'll just keep rolling to MI.

YEP...and before Cap Step...It snows hard, you yell to the wife,..." Hey hon, did you register the sleds this year? "
..."Oh, ya, hon the new reg stickers is onda fridge magnet"
"OK , hon....Goin for a ride"..

"Ok, hon....be safe"....lol

 

[renegade]

YEP...and before Cap Step...It snows hard, you yell to the wife,..." Hey hon, did you register the sleds this year? "
..."Oh, ya, hon the new reg stickers is onda fridge magnet"
"OK , hon....Goin for a ride"..

"Ok, hon....be safe"....lol

Again, it was like this after cap step. Last year it was like this. First year of cap step. This year the DNR quit printing stickers on the own. Please complain to DNR about this. It's there doing. Not cap step. If there was no cap step, and you came from out of state this year, you would still need to keep "rolling to Michigan" to get your sticker in your hand. Nothing AWSC can do but ask DNR to start printing again. But I bet it's going to take cash their way to get it done. Just my hunch. Blaming cap step is just wrong and ignorant.

 

[old abe]

again, it was like this after cap step. Last year it was like this. First year of cap step. This year the dnr quit printing stickers on the own. Please complain to dnr about this. It's there doing. Not cap step. If there was no cap step, and you came from out of state this year, you would still need to keep "rolling to michigan" to get your sticker in your hand. Nothing awsc can do but ask dnr to start printing again. But i bet it's going to take cash their way to get it done. Just my hunch. Blaming cap step is just wrong and ignorant.

kiss!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dfattack]

I can't believe anyone is still talking about this...ride already