Vilas County Wants To Widen Snomo Trails To minimum Of 16 Feet!

whitedust

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Vilas County has recommended widening all County & State trails to 16 feet wide for increased safety for passing groomers & other snowmobiles. I have seen many Jack Pines painted with Blue Paint along Trail 10E/W in the Eagle River Trail system which means they will be harvested in 2013. To me a lot of the trail charm in Vilas county is the narrow Twistys but on the other hand I don't ride on weekends because trail blockers that ride slightly center keep you from passing & your trapped for many miles. Very easy & effective trail blocking on these Twisty trails.IMO I'm not sure how I feel about losing the narrow Twistys plenty of wide open trails in the WUPMI? Living in Phelps I ride both Vilas narrow Twistys & I can easily cross over to WUPMI for the wide open trails & I like having the distinctively different type of trails of each area. Although Vilas officials are saying wider trails are for snowmobile passing safety I really wonder if the alternative motive is to keep visiting snowmobilers that desire wider trails in Vilas County? I'm not sure how I feel about this how about you??
 
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79_srx

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95% of our trails are 16ft or wider even most woods are but still dont get it ,they still ride down the center. when its 16ft wide it dont get trashed as fast
Vilas County has recommended widening all County & State trails to 16 feet wide for increased safety for passing groomers & other snowmobiles. I have seen many Jack Pines painted with Blue Paint along Trail 10E/W in the Eagle River Trail system which means they will be harvested in 2013. To me a lot of the trail charm in Vilas county is the narrow Twistys but on the other hand I don't ride on weekends because trail blockers that ride slightly center keep you from passing & your trapped for many miles. Very easy & effective trail blocking on these Twisty trails.IMO I'm not sure how I feel about losing the narrow Twistys plenty of wide open trails in the WUPMI? Living in Phelps I ride both Vilas narrow Twistys & I can easily cross over to WUPMI for the wide open trails & I like having the distinctively different type of trails of each area. Although Vilas officials are saying wider trails are for snowmobile passing safety I really wonder if the alternative motive is to keep visiting snowmobilers in that desire wider trails in Vilas County? I'm not sure how I feel about this how about you??
 
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whitedust

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I always thought people come to Vilas for the well groomed narrow Twisty trails. For me generally I like wider trails but just my taste + I ride faster than the average bear so my adjustment is to only ride Vilas during the weekdays to avoid the blockers. Heck I have been blocked on UP trails with erratic swerving by sweepers & even passed a Yahoo on the right after a left faint only did it once but I even tried to talk to the guy at a trail junction & still would not let me pass. All he did was yell, scream & jumped back on his sled kept blocking. Wide trails helped a lot or would have been trapped for more than 30 miles.:(
 
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Wide is good

The wider the trail, the longer it will stay smooth. It is true many people still don't spread out, but the wise few can have a sweet ride. I like the idea!
 

indy_500

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I like the idea too I hate riding Vilas cty coming around tight corners and bam there's ricky racer
 

Banjo Man

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It just seems peculiar that Vilas would say that they are doing this for passing safety. Means that they would be promoting more passing on the trails and as much as I do not like being behind a slower group for any length of time, I could still wait for a stop or intersection to pass.
 

goofy600

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I like the idea somewhat! Main trails could be wider and leave small club trails narrow, they don't usually get the traffic of the main state trails.
 

snoxer

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Maybe I am wrong but.. I read it as increasing safety between passing oncoming traffic rather than promoting passing of slower riders heading the same direction. I can't imagine they would encourage passing slower riders in front of you even on long grades let alone twisty wooded trails. IMO that would send a message to the riders who already treat the trail like a racetrack that its ok to do so.

It just seems peculiar that Vilas would say that they are doing this for passing safety. Means that they would be promoting more passing on the trails and as much as I do not like being behind a slower group for any length of time, I could still wait for a stop or intersection to pass.


The intention and idea of widening the trails is great. I just have a hard time not believing that this will result in increased confidence by a large majority to push your sled even harder in the twistys.
 
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Wide = good. The idiots will still go up hills on the wrong side and hug the left side of left hand turns. If the trails are wider it will allow more room to avoid these clowns. You will never modify the behavior of these twits so more room is good.
 

jmag

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i am all for a little more space on the trail, when he trails were designed and built, the sleds were smaller, they are four feet wide now
 

900cc

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I vote keep them the width they are. I ride the Northwoods for the narrower twisty trails. The more room for passing is not a good thing in my mind. On average when I ride Northern WI I am only going on average 25-30 MPH. I'm 24 years old and it only takes one bump and you are into a tree. I do race snocross but I believe in slower speeds on the trails. I like to enjoy the scenery. I don't ride the trails in the UP for they are boring straight wide open rail grades for most part with a few exceptions. Not many bars to stop at either to warm up.
 

soxfan3

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While I do like the 'twisties', some could be wider. 16' is pretty wide tho. IMO a consistant 12' wide would be great.
 

whitedust

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It just seems peculiar that Vilas would say that they are doing this for passing safety. Means that they would be promoting more passing on the trails and as much as I do not like being behind a slower group for any length of time, I could still wait for a stop or intersection to pass.

That would be great if people would let you pass from behind at junctions or any safe place but a lot of riders don't care just keep riding down the center of trail & could care less what is behind them. The offical word is to allow safe passage of snowmobiles & groomers on the current too narrow trails but most of Vilas grooming is done in the wee AM hours so although I agree with their statement it is also commom sense wider trails promote more snowmobile passing too. Safer passing is up to us but blockers can be a PITA on any trail.
 
Cleaning up some of the blind corners would help with safety IMO. Whether that means making them wider or just thinning the brush for better visibility?? Seems the corners are where you meet most of the oncoming sleds for some reason. Would also make it easier for groomers to maneuver I would think and also spread the traffic out a bit so corners wouldn't get washed out as quickly.
 

440_chazz

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I just hope they ask for help during the summer. I am sucker for anything chainsaw. I will be up there with my Stihl if the help is wanted.
 

Banjo Man

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i may have interpeted not as oncoming passing sleds in which a wider trail would be fine. I always have loved the Vilas county trails for their variety of roads, grades and twisty trails. Not a big fan of blind turns, so if widening may straighten some out that would be good. As far as slow rollers not pulling over and letting others pass I believe is caused more of lack of knowledge than rudeness. Seems like many large groups put the newer riders in the rear and mostly with no mirrors. And if they do see you they don't know what to do and are afraid of losing their group.
 

snoxer

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Seems like many large groups put the newer riders in the rear and mostly with no mirrors. And if they do see you they don't know what to do and are afraid of losing their group.

I agree. When riding in a group with less experienced riders the two "best" (not only experienced but responsible and aware) should split the duty of leading and bringing up the rear to make sure everyone in the group is accounted for and sets a decent pace for the middle. I find most(not all) newer or less experienced riders are too intimidated to ride fast and hang back, which is fine(and encouraged) as long as there is someone who knows whats up following them and keeping them on track with a steady pace. Its the guys in the middle of the pack you usually have to watch for as they get a sense of false security that they can ride as fast as they want so long as the leader is in sight. It seems like 9/10 times its not always the leader but the 2nd, 3rd... guys that always are hugging the inside corner trying to keep pace with Dad or their buddy who has years of riding experience that end up sideways in corners or, in some cases, head on in your lane. In this case that is the lead sleds fault for not knocking their helmets together at the next stop when they see this reckless driving happening behind them. The same goes for the last rider in the group when they see sleds behind them that are politely trying to pass. It should be communicated to the new riders, before the ride, that they need to be aware of whats going on behind them when it is safe to do so. I can't say how many times I have tried to get the attention of the riders in front of me only to be oblivious to them with little or no safe opportunity to get their attention. In that case it is the experienced sled in the backs fault for not having a clear understanding with the newbies that they need to look behind them and make sure the guy in the rear is not only still there, but also that he is not trying to tell him or the riders in front something. These things are common sense to most but it seems to happen every time I go riding.

Bottom line..Smooth trail, rough trail, wide trail, narrow trail.. it doesn't matter! You have to pay attention and be on your toes ALL the time when snowmobiling. Ride defensively but also relaxed. Ever wonder why professional racers make it look like its easy to maneuver a 500+ lb machine around a race course? Its because they practice and master all of those things and are comfortable and in control of their machine. Of course I am not suggesting we all become overly confident and try to ride like a racer (thats a whole other story), plus racers don't have oncoming traffic coming at them (hmm..that would be interesting to watch though!)..but I hope my point is made. If you feel like your having an anxiety attack on every ride, its most likely because you are riding out of your abilities. When that happens it is very likely that someone is going to get hurt..or worse!
 
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