Not sure if you follow Yamaha or not but there has been a statment from the top of Yamaha management of all new Yamaha sleds from Japan within 5 years.....Will it happen I don't know? The OEM agreement has done well for Yamaha .....AC don't really know AC management said at 1 time they hoped it would be more profitable then the guy was gone.... AC fired him. The OEM agreement between both AC & Yamaha was no small task to pull off sucessfully. Bottom line is the earthquake set Yamaha snomo division way back they admitted that much but they seem to want to recover with new product....do they really really mean it ?????....We will soon see.
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Not sure if you follow Yamaha or not but there has been a statment from the top of Yamaha management of all new Yamaha sleds from Japan within 5 years.....Will it happen I don't know? The OEM agreement has done well for Yamaha .....AC don't really know AC management said at 1 time they hoped it would be more profitable then the guy was gone.... AC fired him. The OEM agreement between both AC & Yamaha was no small task to pull off sucessfully. Bottom line is the earthquake set Yamaha snomo division way back they admitted that much but they seem to want to recover with new product....do they really really mean it ?????....We will soon see.
momoney2123
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I think I remember that statement. When was it said few years back? I hope they do bring out a new line that one ups the big dog. But ill believe it when I see it.
I believe that statement was released less than 2 years ago & restated in that time as well. Yamaha is super tight lipped about AR&D so difficult to find any leaks so I pretty much just wait & see. With that said new sleds will probably be released soon buy how much AC or Yamaha engineering is used & assembly location is totally unknown. On the other hand Vector & Apex are highly profitable models & peeps like them kind of a cash cow for Yamaha but sooner or later Yamaha has to pass gas or get off the new product pot.
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A little slow on uptake? I told why in the post.....
500 mile.....checkup Polaris requires.
Then after that oil change on Vector.
And FWIW for about the 10th time, I've never owned a Fusion.
Had one on order but never took delivery. Cancelled and have receipt to prove it.
One of the advantages of buying one year old tech.
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I didn't say they were good with selling the least amount of sleds and I didn't say they targeted only older riders, selective thinking
hey?
momoney2123
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here is a way to look at it, what is the gross sales of all Yamaha products compared to BRP or any of the others,,I mean all Yamaha products. Yamaha doesn't need or even try to be number 1 in sleds. If they did compete for 1st place they would be building 2s sleds. I believe they are content with their piece of the pie when you measure all of what they do. Yamaha is japan and them Japanese are prideful people who strive for perfection and longevity and reliability. At my age, if I were to trail ride I would not buy anything other than a Yamaha because I know I will be riding it back home. It doesn't mean the other 3 won't get me home but it does mean I have experienced the Yamaha reliability. Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki have always but rock solid products but only Yamaha builds sleds now. If I am okay with the weight of Yamaha and you are not, we are both right in our decision, it's a matter of preference. I personally prefer the weight of a Yamaha because they are steady and not agile or prone to felling every contour of the trail where as some love that feel. Since I don't ride trail I don't ride Yamaha because it doesn't fit my riding style and it's design is inferior for my style of riding. The older the rider typically becomes less aggressive so comfort, options, fit and finish, dependability, economy become at the front of our minds. Some younger riders who are not real aggressive are just fine with weighty sleds, what's wrong with that. Younger riders look for a sled they can toss around where speed and performance is at there front of their mind. It's the same with cars, who tends to own the Cadillac sts style of vehicle, older people typically, not always but as a general rule. Trying to convince a younger rider who looks for light weight, speed and performance to ride a Yamaha is not gonna happen where as older riders don't want to rebuild motors and be dragged in because of break down. Higher performance machine require more attention, that's normal. Debating weight of a sled is futile because it's subject to personal preference and it's not reasonable to impose your (anyone) preferences on my (anyone) preferences.
In bold. I guess I have no idea what your trying to say then.
here is a way to look at it, what is the gross sales of all Yamaha products compared to BRP or any of the others,,I mean all Yamaha products. Yamaha doesn't need or even try to be number 1 in sleds. If they did compete for 1st place they would be building 2s sleds. I believe they are content with their piece of the pie when you measure all of what they do. Yamaha is japan and them Japanese are prideful people who strive for perfection and longevity and reliability. At my age, if I were to trail ride I would not buy anything other than a Yamaha because I know I will be riding it back home. It doesn't mean the other 3 won't get me home but it does mean I have experienced the Yamaha reliability. Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki have always but rock solid products but only Yamaha builds sleds now. If I am okay with the weight of Yamaha and you are not, we are both right in our decision, it's a matter of preference. I personally prefer the weight of a Yamaha because they are steady and not agile or prone to felling every contour of the trail where as some love that feel. Since I don't ride trail I don't ride Yamaha because it doesn't fit my riding style and it's design is inferior for my style of riding. The older the rider typically becomes less aggressive so comfort, options, fit and finish, dependability, economy become at the front of our minds. Some younger riders who are not real aggressive are just fine with weighty sleds, what's wrong with that. Younger riders look for a sled they can toss around where speed and performance is at there front of their mind. It's the same with cars, who tends to own the Cadillac sts style of vehicle, older people typically, not always but as a general rule. Trying to convince a younger rider who looks for light weight, speed and performance to ride a Yamaha is not gonna happen where as older riders don't want to rebuild motors and be dragged in because of break down. Higher performance machine require more attention, that's normal. Debating weight of a sled is futile because it's subject to personal preference and it's not reasonable to impose your (anyone) preferences on my (anyone) preferences.
In bold. I guess I have no idea what your trying to say then.
Well..... I got things to do today that have to do with sleddin fun stuff......Normally I would have popcorn for lunch & be well entertained by Lenny's descreet reponses to your questions. Asking Lenny to further explain his views about anything is like asking John if he knows much about the weather in the Yoop.lol
I'll check in later.momoney2123
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here is a way to look at it, what is the gross sales of all Yamaha products compared to BRP or any of the others,,I mean all Yamaha products. Yamaha doesn't need or even try to be number 1 in sleds. If they did compete for 1st place they would be building 2s sleds. I believe they are content with their piece of the pie when you measure all of what they do. Yamaha is japan and them Japanese are prideful people who strive for perfection and longevity and reliability. At my age, if I were to trail ride I would not buy anything other than a Yamaha because I know I will be riding it back home. It doesn't mean the other 3 won't get me home but it does mean I have experienced the Yamaha reliability. Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki have always but rock solid products but only Yamaha builds sleds now. If I am okay with the weight of Yamaha and you are not, we are both right in our decision, it's a matter of preference. I personally prefer the weight of a Yamaha because they are steady and not agile or prone to felling every contour of the trail where as some love that feel. Since I don't ride trail I don't ride Yamaha because it doesn't fit my riding style and it's design is inferior for my style of riding. The older the rider typically becomes less aggressive so comfort, options, fit and finish, dependability, economy become at the front of our minds. Some younger riders who are not real aggressive are just fine with weighty sleds, what's wrong with that. Younger riders look for a sled they can toss around where speed and performance is at there front of their mind. It's the same with cars, who tends to own the Cadillac sts style of vehicle, older people typically, not always but as a general rule. Trying to convince a younger rider who looks for light weight, speed and performance to ride a Yamaha is not gonna happen where as older riders don't want to rebuild motors and be dragged in because of break down. Higher performance machine require more attention, that's normal. Debating weight of a sled is futile because it's subject to personal preference and it's not reasonable to impose your (anyone) preferences on my (anyone) preferences.
In bold. I guess I have no idea what your trying to say then.
look at the red letters bro!
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I'm going to assume you are smart enough to understand those old decrepit farts are not the actual riders in the video,,you do know that,, right?
If you knew any history of Yamaha you would understand that they did indeed build the 2007 Phazer geared towards the younger rider so yea, we have example of Yamaha making a deliberate decision to focus a sled at younger riders. According to you momoney, only the public understands that weight is an issue for handling a sled and Yamaha is oblivious to issue but they just keep dumping heavy 4 stroke engines in a chassis hoping we will all buy,,,hmmmm NOT! Average age of a snowmobiler is 44 so maybe, just maybe the rider is not as young and aggressive as one may think
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Kip told me last fall that Yamaha was going to be releasing new models of sleds including mtn sled. I do believe this is an attempt to further their sales but to think they are intending to nab number one is crazy. Yamaha is a huge corporation doing very well.
Some people are not that swift. Do you realize the UP is the testing ground for trail sleds and cross overs? Dodge trucks also has a lot of testing up there. Last year we hung out with 2 engineers from Japan on new equipment. I run into Snow Tech boys in the woods and we BS and are asked not to take pictures of there sleds. LMAO! The wheels are turning boys,but it's not on the web yet. Sorry if that's where you get your info. I got to ride a Rush a year before it was released. Talked one on one with a engineer that helped design the new Yammi suspension. That didn't go far,the bud I was with wouldn't leave him alone about improving the FJR. This guy didn't know what a
FJR was. We still laugh about that. Well,maybe we rip on our bud for that one.
FJR was. We still laugh about that. Well,maybe we rip on our bud for that one.
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snobuilder
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As it stands now, I think the 5 new sleds in 5 years plan includes some,...if not ALL....yamacat joint ventures.
eagle1
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Yamaha may not be number one in sales but there also not spending the most in r&d, plus they're getting most years out of a chassis.
Now probably 1/3 of they're production is getting is getting made here (USA), so now they're there making even more.
It's not about making most sleds, just most money!! Lol
Now probably 1/3 of they're production is getting is getting made here (USA), so now they're there making even more.
It's not about making most sleds, just most money!! Lol
Difficult to say.... it did sound like something new was coming from Yamaha Japan but Yamaha would have to keep that developement separate from AC which is very possible but may not be probable if mfg is in Thief River. As I said Yamaha super tight lipped culture if something leaks Yamaha wants that info in the public domain.
snobuilder
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The 2015 Mtn. Viper is "new" model number 1....4 more to go?....if 2016 is also a joint venture, I will conclude Yamaha is done....nothing to see here lest ye want a Cat.
momoney2123
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Those guys arent riders
??hahahah. Video is a joke, but i thought funny. Average age of a snowmobilier maybe 44, so you would think they would be wise enough to want the yamaha according to your older vs younger post!! NOT!!!!!! Or BRP would sell more 1200's 4s's than 800etecs, another NOT!! Numbers never lie.
momoney2123
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I also cant believe I didnt mention this.Thats like saying Bombardier doesnt need to be # 1 in sleds either?? They may have started as a sledding company but dont make even close the money as other ventures. And yes I kno a part of brp was sold from bombardier inc but still have almost a 2/5ths ownership stake in BRP. Im sure there are many similiar scenerios in yamaha corp.
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Never over until Yamaha says it is over just like Polaris did with PWCs when said to public done no more. Yamaha no where near stopping snomo division at this time or near future. You act like an OEM relationship was not a comittment? I worked OEM realtionships for 35 years & it takes a sincere comittment of resources for both compainies. At the end of the day the question under constant review is an OEM relationship more profitable than going on your own keeping tech in house. In this case both expanded their markets so OEM life goes on.....With that being said AR&D also goes on in house & jointly for new products ....Yamaha mfg location is unknown in the near future & could continue with the 2 locations Japan & Thief River for USA.
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Those guys arent riders
Average age of a snowmobilier maybe 44, so you would think they would be wise enough to want the yamaha according to your older vs younger post!! NOT!!!!!! Or BRP would sell more 1200's 4s's than 800etecs, another NOT!! Numbers never lie.
I understand your thinking but have to disagree. I did say some younger riders now didn't I? When it comes to reliability Yamaha smokes BRp's *** and that's not even an argument. So for some, that reliability issue sells sleds for Yamaha and if you want a classic example ask Paul (pwolfy) from this site that question and see what he tells you. Now lets me ask you this, do you really think that Yamaha had a vision that in 03 when they started the 4s power plant they expected the majority of riders to jump ship and go blue? I am a business owner and know many business owners, small shops and the goal is not always make the most money but rather build quality products that make people happy. I tend to think the Japanese are somewhere in the middle, wanting to makes big money and great products but to claim they are bent at capturing #1 I would bet is not the case. Here is an example, in 04 Yamaha built the side by side Rhino which is an awesome utility side by side. It's slow, heavy, noisy but a very capable work horse. When did we start to see the competitors building performance side by sides? Not sure of the exact but they have been around for a while where Yamaha just finished the Rhino and came out with the viking and now a 6 seat viking. The viking really has no sport element to it but is purpose built and fills a niche and they are ultra reliable and serious work horses. I wonder why they have no sport side by side. Is it because they have no ability to build one, probably not. When you combine all Yamaha's products you see quality and reliability are the front and that is a stable economic platform to build a business on. If all you do is race to be #1 while not being diversified you become vulnerable to economic roller coaster. Yamaha is like a not so aggressive investment portfolio. There in it for the long haul and do many thing very well and stability is the result.
I admit I could be seriously wrong about my viewpoint, it is speculation as I have nothing to base it on other than opinion but from my personal observation that is the conclusion I have come to. I gotta say I do love debating with you though, thanks for that!
If you're comparing Yamaha 4s to BRP 2s that may be a valid statement, but not necessarily so if you're talking BRP 4s. Not to take anything away from Yamaha at all, we all know they make a fine engine. But BRP's 1200 is no slouch either, it just hasn't been around as long as Yamaha 4s and doesn't have as much exposure. BRP treats it like their red-headed stepchild probably because it doesn't make them as much money as their beloved 800.