Engine size

Whats your engine(s) size?

  • Big dog, 1000cc+ 2stroke

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • 800cc 2 stroke

    Votes: 80 37.4%
  • 600cc 2stroke

    Votes: 80 37.4%
  • 140hp+ 4 stroke

    Votes: 28 13.1%
  • 135hp less 4stroke

    Votes: 24 11.2%
  • old school baby, vintage

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • other

    Votes: 12 5.6%

  • Total voters
    214

snobuilder

Well-known member
For a guy with a name like Fusion and all the baggage that comes with it (I know, I own one), you sure have a lot of hate for Arctic Cat! I don't get the brand hatred.

I reread fusions post and fail to see this "hate" you whimper about....fusion stated HIS opinion and it was mostly about YAMAHAS being heavy....thats fact, not hate.

I have to agree with what he says.....sounds like we both own yamaha 4 strokes which are as rock solid as they are rock heavy and look to the new Poos for a lightweight alternative.
 

eagle1

Well-known member
I just noticed a flaw in the poll....the nytro motor falls in a gap in the catagories
so were you trying to eliminate alla the nytros, Vipers and AC7000.:)

And how's that?
There's a (135 HP and less 4 stroke ) category.
Nytro was at 135hp in Nytro chassis. Don't believe they gained any when they put in AC chassis with front exhaust.

Nytro xtx was my last sled and loved that motor.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
I reread fusions post and fail to see this "hate" you whimper about....fusion stated HIS opinion and it was mostly about YAMAHAS being heavy....thats fact, not hate.

I have to agree with what he says.....sounds like we both own yamaha 4 strokes which are as rock solid as they are rock heavy and look to the new Poos for a lightweight alternative.

If you are buying a sled where weight is the driving the buying factor why in the world would you buy a Yamaha sled & complain about weight??? You know it is heavier than 2s going in & 4s will weigh more than 2s more parts that add weight. Yes if there was 150hp 4s that was = to 2s weight & power it would be wonderful but with that said not going to happen like snow in July.lol
 

srt20

Active member
Snomobiles pollute!!

Drink coco and go skiing!!

J/k

They all suck! I've driven all brands mtn sleds. I can tell you why I think every one of them sucks, and why every one of them is ok. But what's the point. Pick the one that gives you the most pleasure between your legs....wait.......what??
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
And how's that?
There's a (135 HP and less 4 stroke ) category.
Nytro was at 135hp in Nytro chassis. Don't believe they gained any when they put in AC chassis with front exhaust.

Nytro xtx was my last sled and loved that motor.

Nytro motor dynoed at 138 hp.
Just thought it was weird you didn't just call the 4 stroke categories 140 and over and 139 and under. In fact you coulda went over/under 145 hp since Yamaha 4cyl rx-1 dictated the classes.
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
If you are buying a sled where weight is the driving the buying factor why in the world would you buy a Yamaha sled & complain about weight??? You know it is heavier than 2s going in & 4s will weigh more than 2s more parts that add weight. Yes if there was 150hp 4s that was = to 2s weight & power it would be wonderful but with that said not going to happen like snow in July.lol

not sure what you are referring to but I ride Yamaha for there reliable high mile engines....but that sure as H--- doesn't mean I can't also refer to them as heavy.

I think Poo has recognized there worse years of the 800 mill needed to be corrected and since 2011 they have been proving themselves as such....2015 is another step in the right direction for the 8 along with a stellar new chassis with rave revues, I don't think you will need to buy a sled from a stagnant company like Yamaha for a reliable high mileage sled.
You will be able to get it in a lightweight chassis.
 
Last edited:

mezz

Well-known member
Personally, I've never felt the need for an 800 or larger sled in my neck of the woods. Then again, when I bought my current sled (06 Crossfire 6) I weighed out cost to purchase as well as cost to run differences & felt & still feel today I've gotten the most bang for my buck. I feel that I have the perfect UP Boondocker with the 144 x 2" track & telescopic steering post & an engine that is pretty stout. I'm happy with 118-120hp, for me it's enough & IMO, the rest is up to the rider.-Mezz
 

timo

Well-known member
it didn't take long this year to get into the 2 vs 4 stroke: my sled is lighter than yours, blah blah blah debate. wasn't this covered to ad nausea last year fellows?
 

whitedust

Well-known member
not sure what you are referring to but I ride Yamaha for there reliable high mile engines....but that sure as H--- doesn't mean I can't also refer to them as heavy.

I think Poo has recognized there worse years of the 800 mill needed to be corrected and since 2011 they have been proving themselves as such....2015 is another step in the right direction for the 8 along with a stellar new chassis with rave revues, I don't think you will need to buy a sled from a stagnant company like Yamaha for a reliable high mileage sled.
You will be able to get it in a lightweight chassis.

Agree you are exactly correct Vector & Apex Yamaha's are heavy & Yamaha buying choice is all about reliability not lightweight champ & call them heavy no objection to that at all .... But referring to Fusion's statment...Why would you compare 600 Rush to Apex or Vector completely different class sleds 2s & 4s then complain that Yamaha is heavy of course it is & always will be. Like I said obvious as no snow in July why complain?....One knows it doesn't snow in July in the Midwest & Yamahas or heavy ....to me duhhhhh....lol.... But why complain about it.... 4s will always be heavier than 2s. If you want light as possible buy the AXYS & hope it holds together but right now AXYS is light by specs but can it be pounded & hold up is the question at hand? The heavy Yamaha 4s engines are bullet proof & the chassis is very robust as well & the reason we buy them not becasue they are heavy or light or somewhere in between.
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
Agree you are exactly correct Vector & Apex Yamaha's are heavy & Yamaha buying choice is all about reliability not lightweight champ & call them heavy no objection to that at all .... But referring to Fusion's statment...Why would you compare 600 Rush to Apex or Vector completely different class sleds 2s & 4s then complain that Yamaha is heavy of course it is & always will be. Like I said obvious as no snow in July why complain?....One knows it doesn't snow in July in the Midwest & Yamahas or heavy ....to me duhhhhh....lol.... But why complain about it.... 4s will always be heavier than 2s. If you want light as possible buy the AXYS & hope it holds together but right now AXYS is light by specs but can it be pounded & hold up is the question at hand? The heavy Yamaha 4s engines are bullet proof & the chassis is very robust as well & the reason we buy them not becasue they are heavy or light or somewhere in between.

I guess I read Fusions post differently than you. I experienced the same thing while loading the 2 Yamaha 4 strokes in the trailer along with an Indy 600 last season.
I didn't see his post as another dig at yamahas weight but a comment on how you get used to moving that weight and then bam....you find yourself flinging a 2 stroke around like its nothing.
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
I reread fusions post and fail to see this "hate" you whimper about....fusion stated HIS opinion and it was mostly about YAMAHAS being heavy....thats fact, not hate.

I have to agree with what he says.....sounds like we both own yamaha 4 strokes which are as rock solid as they are rock heavy and look to the new Poos for a lightweight alternative.

I think it was the "a-crap" part - not just on this post either. I'm not a brand guy (or I should say I grew up loving Yamaha 2 stroke!) and I like this site because many on here aren't 100% brand-blinded either.
 

russholio

Well-known member
it didn't take long this year to get into the 2 vs 4 stroke: my sled is lighter than yours, blah blah blah debate. wasn't this covered to ad nausea last year fellows?

Probably, along with the ever-popular oil and trail permit fee debates. Just rites of passage into sledding season. :)
 
L

lenny

Guest
here is a way to look at it, what is the gross sales of all Yamaha products compared to BRP or any of the others,,I mean all Yamaha products. Yamaha doesn't need or even try to be number 1 in sleds. If they did compete for 1st place they would be building 2s sleds. I believe they are content with their piece of the pie when you measure all of what they do. Yamaha is japan and them Japanese are prideful people who strive for perfection and longevity and reliability. At my age, if I were to trail ride I would not buy anything other than a Yamaha because I know I will be riding it back home. It doesn't mean the other 3 won't get me home but it does mean I have experienced the Yamaha reliability. Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki have always but rock solid products but only Yamaha builds sleds now. If I am okay with the weight of Yamaha and you are not, we are both right in our decision, it's a matter of preference. I personally prefer the weight of a Yamaha because they are steady and not agile or prone to felling every contour of the trail where as some love that feel. Since I don't ride trail I don't ride Yamaha because it doesn't fit my riding style and it's design is inferior for my style of riding. The older the rider typically becomes less aggressive so comfort, options, fit and finish, dependability, economy become at the front of our minds. Some younger riders who are not real aggressive are just fine with weighty sleds, what's wrong with that. Younger riders look for a sled they can toss around where speed and performance is at there front of their mind. It's the same with cars, who tends to own the Cadillac sts style of vehicle, older people typically, not always but as a general rule. Trying to convince a younger rider who looks for light weight, speed and performance to ride a Yamaha is not gonna happen where as older riders don't want to rebuild motors and be dragged in because of break down. Higher performance machine require more attention, that's normal. Debating weight of a sled is futile because it's subject to personal preference and it's not reasonable to impose your (anyone) preferences on my (anyone) preferences.

It's a good thing we have 4 makers of sleds because they all fit the needs of consumers. So seeing that w,e the masses of people are such a diverse people with riding styles, it's silly to impose a particular sled to fit all riders and that's what we often do on here. It's not wrong to be brand loyal but it's silly to say your brand is the best for all people. I'm not gonna bring up names but this board has it's share of loyalists that get offended and push their brand on everyone and dump on the other brands because it simple doesn't fit their style of riding. I certainly am no angle when it comes to voicing opinions but I often am the opposition when the loyalists get revved up, it's my mission in life!
 
Last edited:

polarisrider1

New member
here is a way to look at it, what is the gross sales of all Yamaha products compared to BRP,,I mean all Yamaha products. Yamaha doesn't need or even try to be number 1 in sleds. If they did compete for 1st place they would be building 2s sleds. I believe they are content with their piece of the pie when you measure all of what they do. Yamaha is japan and them Japanese are prideful people who strive for perfection and longevity and reliability. At my age, if I were to trail ride I would not buy anything other than a Yamaha because I know I will be riding it back home. It doesn't mean the other 3 won't get me home but it does mean I have experienced the Yamaha reliability. Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki have always but rock solid products but only Yamaha builds sleds now. If I am okay with the weight of Yamaha and you are not, we are both right in our decision, it's a matter of preference. I personally prefer the weight of a Yamaha because they are steady and not agile or prone to felling every contour of the trail where as some love that feel. Since I don't ride trail I don't ride Yamaha because it doesn't fit my riding style and it's design is inferior for my style of riding. The older the rider typically becomes less aggressive so comfort, options, fit and finish, dependability, economy become at the front of our minds. Some younger riders who are not real aggressive are just fine with weighty sleds, what's wrong with that. Younger riders look for a sled they can toss around where speed and performance is at there front of their mind. It's the same with cars, who tends to own the Cadillac sts style of vehicle, older people typically, not always but as a general rule. Trying to convince a younger rider who looks for light weight, speed and performance to ride a Yamaha is not gonna happen where as older riders don't want to rebuild motors and be dragged in because of break down. Higher performance machine require more attention, that's normal. Debating weight of a sled is futile because it's subject to personal preference and it's not reasonable to impose your (anyone) preferences on my (anyone) preferences.

It's a good thing we have 4 makers of sleds because they all fit the needs of consumers. So seeing that w,e the masses of people are such a diverse people with riding styles, it's silly to impose a particular sled to fit all riders and that's what we often do on here. It's not wrong to be brand loyal but it's silly to say your brand is the best for all people. I'm not gonna bring up names but this board has it's share of loyalists that get offended and push their brand on everyone and dump on the other brands because it simple doesn't fit their style of riding. I certainly am no angle when it comes to voicing opinions but I often am the opposition when the loyalists get revved up, it's my mission in life!

Really? reads more like a seasonal disclaimer.
 
L

lenny

Guest
it's the facts Wayne, nothing but the facts. I wear no blinders, just give pure unadulterated facts! Don't hate me for it, just apologize and send a gift :D
 

Woodtic

Active member
Post 124 and 133 are the winners. There are other good posts,but I'm to lazy to go back and look. I like brand blind fools. They are easy to poke fun at,butt end of most jokes at lunch stops, still politically correct to call them retarded.
 

eagle1

Well-known member
it didn't take long this year to get into the 2 vs 4 stroke: my sled is lighter than yours, blah blah blah debate. wasn't this covered to ad nausea last year fellows?

I actually thought it was pretty good discussion going, what we like/buy,reasons etc.etc., without too much excessive bashing.

Besides there's no snow yet, what else gonna do besides drink and type stupid? :p
 

momoney2123

New member
here is a way to look at it, what is the gross sales of all Yamaha products compared to BRP or any of the others,,I mean all Yamaha products. Yamaha doesn't need or even try to be number 1 in sleds. If they did compete for 1st place they would be building 2s sleds. I believe they are content with their piece of the pie when you measure all of what they do. Yamaha is japan and them Japanese are prideful people who strive for perfection and longevity and reliability. At my age, if I were to trail ride I would not buy anything other than a Yamaha because I know I will be riding it back home. It doesn't mean the other 3 won't get me home but it does mean I have experienced the Yamaha reliability. Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda and Suzuki have always but rock solid products but only Yamaha builds sleds now. If I am okay with the weight of Yamaha and you are not, we are both right in our decision, it's a matter of preference. I personally prefer the weight of a Yamaha because they are steady and not agile or prone to felling every contour of the trail where as some love that feel. Since I don't ride trail I don't ride Yamaha because it doesn't fit my riding style and it's design is inferior for my style of riding. The older the rider typically becomes less aggressive so comfort, options, fit and finish, dependability, economy become at the front of our minds. Some younger riders who are not real aggressive are just fine with weighty sleds, what's wrong with that. Younger riders look for a sled they can toss around where speed and performance is at there front of their mind. It's the same with cars, who tends to own the Cadillac sts style of vehicle, older people typically, not always but as a general rule. Trying to convince a younger rider who looks for light weight, speed and performance to ride a Yamaha is not gonna happen where as older riders don't want to rebuild motors and be dragged in because of break down. Higher performance machine require more attention, that's normal. Debating weight of a sled is futile because it's subject to personal preference and it's not reasonable to impose your (anyone) preferences on my (anyone) preferences.

It's a good thing we have 4 makers of sleds because they all fit the needs of consumers. So seeing that w,e the masses of people are such a diverse people with riding styles, it's silly to impose a particular sled to fit all riders and that's what we often do on here. It's not wrong to be brand loyal but it's silly to say your brand is the best for all people. I'm not gonna bring up names but this board has it's share of loyalists that get offended and push their brand on everyone and dump on the other brands because it simple doesn't fit their style of riding. I certainly am no angle when it comes to voicing opinions but I often am the opposition when the loyalists get revved up, it's my mission in life!


I guess id be suprised if the president of yamaha snowmobiles, just says yea, ya know we are goood with selling the least amount of sleds. Lets just target old foggies who want an engine to go for the longest. Good business plan! Maybe ur right, I duno.
 
Top