snobuilder
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We tried the local NAPA who called Northland.....just a bad time to find a cat belt that day....Thats what is great about the Yamaha belts.....they are like yoga pants....one size fit most.....LOL
2017 Sneak Peek Impressions?
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We tried the local NAPA who called Northland.....just a bad time to find a cat belt that day....Thats what is great about the Yamaha belts.....they are like yoga pants....one size fit most.....LOL
Northland is best bet for anything snowmobile or atv in IR just no dealers near by as I'm sure you know....lol.. Also will repair anything too & has worked out some warranty repairs with OEMs. Chris pretty well known in the industry due to his snomo hill racing. Good deals on software as well & Chris will order if does not have your size.
srt20
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Yeah but that doesn't mean that most should wear yoga pants..... Just an observation I've made.
To keep the analogy going, especially the heavier Yamaha types.
srt20
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Cirrus_Driver
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I have to take issue with this - pretty sure it's still 600 class sleds, although 800's are closing. And Doo sells the most 4-strokes? R you sure of that? (I would say Yamaha)
I also thought that the 600 class would be the largest sellers. Seems all that changed several years back. Mountain segment market has exploded in the last few years, and with that the 800's also. Doo went with the market that is there for them imo.[/I]TE=groomerdriver;426674]Really? Would have thought it's the 600cc 2S market.[/QUOTE]
My same thoughts again XXX007. I was on a Canadian trip and happened to eat lunch with 2 guy's from a snowmobile mag, and that's was the first I heard about the Doo 4 stroke market share. Now, I for one, don't believe everything I read, and or hear, but these 2 guy's are very straight shooter's. I have also seen this in several different publications since that. We rode with them that afternoon some till are ways parted, due to different direction of destinations. Man would I love for the kind of job they have in the snow season!!! Several sled dealers, and of different brands have told me of the 600 to 800 change of market. A very good friend of mine in the business also says the same.
I agree for doo the 800 out sells the 600 but not sure about other Oems?....maybe the same 800 to 600 market shift or will be soon but some, without listing Oem names, have had problems with their 800s not so much with their 600s. 600 market share not what it used to be but still holding its own & changing quickly..... We read the same mags.lol
momoney2123
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Some regions may still sell the same amount or more 600s as 800s but my dealer sells more 800s, significantly more. I forget what year the 800 took over for them but it was the etec era. The 900ace has started to eat away at the 600s as well. And yes its true, doo sells more 4 strokes than AC and yamaha combined. The sidewinder may change that. There seems to be a bunch of 1200 owners on Dootalk either going 850 or sidewinder. 900ace owners seem content.
yes its true, doo sells more 4 strokes than AC and yamaha combined. The sidewinder may change that. There seems to be a bunch of 1200 owners on Dootalk either going 850 or sidewinder. 900ace owners seem content.[/QUOTE]
do u have the numbers to prove that ? that book is not ez to come by .
snobuilder
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Meat is for men. Bones are for dogs........haha
Okay I'm done now.
You guys launched that softball all the way to the outfield!....LOL
do u have the numbers to prove that ? that book is not ez to come by .[/QUOTE]
The Aces have been best sellers for doo but difficult to believe doo out sold both AC & Yamaha combined as Viper was a big seller for Yamaha. As good as doo is selling 4s you would think doo would promote the Ace at Sneak Peek...they sure didn't at Wausau it was all 850 & Gen 4. This was a big ? in my mind almost like doo wants their 4s customers to buy an 850 or etec 2s which is not going to happen very often apples & oranges market. Also felt the same with Poo no Indy? With all the in season Indy hype then not show it? Idk?
snobuilder
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do u have the numbers to prove that ? that book is not ez to come by .[/QUOTE]
Got to agree with ezra...."this guys 3 buddys and that guys dealer",..."my sources say"...."some mag. said" ,... yet everytime I research sled sales I can't find a definate statement from any manuf. in the past few years.
I think Doo tends to sell in world market more than the rest and I also see many Doo rentals. Good for them!
As far as 800 over 600 sales, the new Poo 800 HO has significantly helped push the 800 class forward in the past 2 seasons. I see that trend continuing until the Poo 600 gives folks a reason to go back....like way better mpg than the 800 which right now, the 800 is getting at least the same if not better mpg.
do u have the numbers to prove that ? that book is not ez to come by .[/QUOTE]
ezra you are exactly right, hard numbers are not easy to come by in snowmobile bus. I have no axe to grind here, on either 800/600, or the 4 stroke number thing. ezra I think you are some what of a AC guy So with that, how many years did AC go without a 600 engine until the new C-tech came out??? Seems like at least 4? That too helped sell more 800's in my thinking. And AC has a GOOD 800!!! But it seems as though the big change is due to the growth in mountain sled sales. Many more 800's than 600's there. I believe the new SW, TCat will sell well. But in imo the 800's will sell many more.
not sure but I thought cat only went 12 and 13 with out a 6 ? BTW my fav motor they ever built was that old laydown twin 6 with the 7 jugs on it. that thing was so good the others just had to quit building a 7
I for 1 am glad they have not put out a new 8 in yrs I hope it is many more yrs the zuk stays around . I know it is nearing its end just from the contract dates . I would bet very a limited release 8 real soon then full blown release for following yr .I would bet hay days peek then a late mid season single sled release
but again new tech will not necessarily make a motor better that has been proved for yrs now.
I for 1 am glad they have not put out a new 8 in yrs I hope it is many more yrs the zuk stays around . I know it is nearing its end just from the contract dates . I would bet very a limited release 8 real soon then full blown release for following yr .I would bet hay days peek then a late mid season single sled release
but again new tech will not necessarily make a motor better that has been proved for yrs now.
When I ordered my 2017 Ski-Doo 850 I asked "will my back up belt from my 2016 600 E-Tec fit the 850"? The Dealer states yes it is the same size but not built to the spec of the installed 850 belt, so just use it as a back up not and not as the permanent replacement.
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goofy600
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IMO, 16 a bad year so lots of left over parts so no reason for new product so only limited 850 doo, SW, Tcat. Like others said MY18 for Yama could be big cause of 50 years. I agree I think 800 market has taken over in perfect world I would own a 800 but can't justify extra cost for trail riding off trail no doubt 800 would be way to go. I think all manufactures are hoping to clean out warehouses of old stuff ( i.e. Doo only making 850 in new gen4) by next year old stuff gone and all model lines in new chassis. I'm a doo guy and have seen this many times 03 limited 08 limited 2010 limited 800 2012 or 13 can't remember exactly xs chassis, and I'm sure all manufactures do the same thing to clean out old parts. People say 800's don't hold up but I would bet if 800's were driven like 600's are they would not break as much. Facts are ( well maybe ) 800's are going to be beat on more than the trail riding 600 will ever be. Again just my thoughts from a 48 year old man that still thinks he can be 16.
I'm in agreement with you goofy600, only 16 yrs older. They bought the 800 to get it on! Gas on it!!!! But, with the bigger bore twins there is also more vibration due to balance reasons. So they are prone to crank, and piston problems more so than a smaller bore (600). I'm a 600 class power rider also, and we put a lot of miles on our sleds. Bought 900 ace for the wife, and have been nothing but surprised. Very, very, pleased as to find out that this sled will do everything we want. It's a perfect long tripper, such as Canadian trips. But I feel the 800 class is where the market is at. Hard trail ponders, crossovers, and mountain chasers, all will lean hard to the 800's.
momoney2123
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do u have the numbers to prove that ? that book is not ez to come by .[/QUOTE]
Ive seen doo market it and dealers as well. I guess they could be blowing smoke along with 2015s 48% market share?
Thr numbers i saw for 2015 was
doo 48%
Poo 30%
Cat 19%
Yam 3%