toddspolaris
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So if the lower michigan isn't using any funds right now to groom because lack of snow, who gets the moneys
groomer money
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snobuilder
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In WI you submit for funds according to trail set up miles groomed, maintained and taken out.
in MN the clubs still get the money, the clubs still have payments regardless if it snows 10" or 100" all year. Payments on the equipment, building, taxes, insurance and so on. The only thing that will change drastically with a good or bad snow year is the amount of fuel that is used.
It all stays in the system. If the funds are not dispersed for miles groomed by a grant sponsor (club) or repairs to those grooming, then the DNR will hang onto it and use it to purchase new equipment in the autumn for the next season. It is nice to know that all of the trail permit money stays in the snowmobile program and never sees the states general fund.
What is disappointing is that little to no money brought into the state coffers from outside of the snowmobile program is ever given to it. It is a multi-million dollar industry for the state, but yet the state chooses to not give anything to the program and forces it to run on its own.
Crock of crap if you ask me. Things will need to change sometime soon, or the states snowmobile program is headed for big trouble. It's not the 70's anymore, a mile of trail costs way more to maintain that it did and the permit fees are already not covering all that needs to be covered.
-John
What is disappointing is that little to no money brought into the state coffers from outside of the snowmobile program is ever given to it. It is a multi-million dollar industry for the state, but yet the state chooses to not give anything to the program and forces it to run on its own.
Crock of crap if you ask me. Things will need to change sometime soon, or the states snowmobile program is headed for big trouble. It's not the 70's anymore, a mile of trail costs way more to maintain that it did and the permit fees are already not covering all that needs to be covered.
-John
snobuilder
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WI snow fund gets some state fuel tax revenue.
I have been thinking the same thing about most of the clubs south of HWY 29 in WI. where the trails have not been open for the 16/17 or 17/18 season?
I was informed when the DNR began having trail passes purchased via clubs many clubs just popped up for various reasons.
Bear
snobuilder
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What are you talking about?...Who informed you?...Clubs don't buy trail passes from the DNR..... but just for entertainment....Name these new clubs that just "popped up".
Are you a WI club member?
When I stated "when the DNR began having trail passes purchased via clubs" I meant; "when snowmobilers were required to purchase trail passes via snowmobile clubs or AWSC".
And yes, some clubs popped up as it was a concern to the State; my information was private from a State contact I continue to discuss matters with as I have past dealings in the Sled/ATV business. I have been a member of clubs for over 15 years when we had consistent snow and I was younger..strangely, I did not buy a WI permit this year for the first time.
So, I still ask what happens to the permit and other funding in years when no grooming is needed?
Bear
snobuilder
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Wow you are making statements that are apples and oranges as well as unverifiable.
In bold, the 2 choices wouldn't be "club or AWSC"....you would either join a club and buy through the AWSC or DON"T join and buy from the DNR....I hate being right....I said K.I.S.S....instead we have THIS... a veteran rider like fuji not in full understanding of this wonderful new trail funder.
As far as new clubs popping up....for what?...a cheap trail pass?...LOL...all we do and submit payment for in our club needs to be documented. In fact the latest thing is actual GPS verification of trails your club has and maintains.
Funds not used remain in the segregated snowmobile fund. In the counties that are working overtime so to speak, supplemental funds are assessed by need and available to them.
I think what you're implying, is that WI clubs "popped up" to receive some windfall based on the new system. Obviously, that's not possible. If a club doesn't actually maintain trails, they can't submit for any reimbursement. So, no work, no money.
I'm assuming the person you spoke with was referring to the possibility of a "club" forming simply to allow its members to purchase discounted trail passes. I'm sure it could be done...create a club that doesn't really do anything, but if it's an official club, members could receive a discounted trail pass.
Seems like a lot of work though, just to save $20.
snobuilder
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in bold.....at the very least, your position as the membership chair, would have a job to do signing up members..... on a daily basis at times....LOL
And then there are the documents that the state requires each year where you list the officers and also sign your name to the fact that you are indeed a legit non profit entity.
They spend the extra money for music videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8e1Ujv7tA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w8e1Ujv7tA
and the number of registered sleds . and that effects how much of the gas tax we actually get