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The used market even gets more confusing especially if you buy from a private party.

I believe the OEMs will try subscriptions it’s up to us to say no. The most fortunate of us won’t care as money isn’t an issue with them. I look at it like GM and Onstar I never paid a penny for it out side the freebie period. I did like statilite phone in 2004 over cell phones in Vilas county...

Bunch started with Tesla and BMW new trend also with EVs longer range battery available via subscription. We are at a crossroads customers say piss off or becomes a standard policy. I say piss off!

How about naming it bye bye Yamaha. Lol

Heard the rumor didn’t pay much attention to it.

Everyone is going to love this! Latest trends in the automobile industry is to build full featured vehicles ( old term loaded) then charge a subscription price per month to turn those features on like heated/cooled seats, safety features like lane control, driver assist and so on. I can see the...

Totally agree the current administration has set back green movement for years totally out of sync with the times and economic strain it’s caused. They could change policies but show no signs of changing course. Seems to be no one close to Biden to convince or even attempt to temper current...

Grub has bought in but if EV doesn’t do well he’ll say so. Right now all sunshine and butterflies which is ok but I don’t see the National supply chain not to mention the world supply chain to support any of this in the near future. Obviously democrats war on fossils fuels has driven the price...

Major rebellion at Burlington WI Walmart tried to eliminate checkers. Lines got long at few checkers and fights started to break out pissed off frustrated customers in checker lines. They started checkers back up man them moves very well now. I don’t mind self check for a couple of items quick...

Excellent idea Jim but Democrats want only zero emission solutions. Their resistance to productive comprise will destroy their party. Complete airheads imo opinion can’t wait for midterm elections to boot them out return to a sane Congress.

Although I agree hybrids are the logical bridge to EVs the Democrats do not agree. They want zero emissions and hybrids are both ice and EV therefore NOT zero emissions they dislike hybrids. Democrats have no bridge plan it’s always been cold turkey change ice to EV with out a product stream or...

Yes I tried to find out the same difference prices for different set ups and type of charge and EV. Also doesn’t seem to be a full 10 minute charge available anywhere around here. Nothing like a pull up fill your ICE gas tank and good to go anytime anywhere. Maybe with time and more...

Banned only if a US government is elected that bans ICE. Currently I don’t see that happening Midterms will tell us a lot. If we believe polls the dems and Biden have caused a lot unnecessary pain that more likely will be reversed just seem numb to what the public wants. I’m fine with EVs but...

Grub as far as 4s sled to EVs you must remember RX 1 ton started in 2003. In the meantime injected 2s technology got better and better we are now pushing 20 years and a lot more 2s than 4s sleds are sold every year. Yes 4s sleds got traction but no way took over the market. I think EV will be...

Don’t forget all the personal lean green it will take for industry to cut over to EV. Heavy excavation equipment, farm equipment , intercontinental trucks, trains, airplanes , ships the list goes on and on an of course the entire military. Imo oil will be around for a very long time just can’t...

It amazes me the current administration can’t figure this out. No one is against a better mousetrap if EV is that but the infrastructure to support a transition isn’t there yet and really no need to cut off oil production when you have the resources in your country to offer both EV and oil.

Good luck with surgery and recovery! I’m having problems with my left shoulder but usually a cortisone shot helps me a lot.

Grub are you locked in with your price on new Lightening? I read an article of a new owner said his final price was north of $100k with extras. He liked the truck but will never take it camping again just no infrastructure to charge freaked him and wife out. Also said his whole family owned...

I’m surprised an innocent post stirred up so many members. Sure opened my eyes on Legend and especially Becks. No thanks I’ll find alternatives.

I really don’t think many buy EVs to power their homes as said that’s not practical. No energy for vehicles or home seems like a bad decision.