snow_monkey
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2012 Polaris!
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wouldnt it make more sense to just have an O2 sensor to adjust to what ever is in the tank instead of having the operator make the switch? i would have thought that efi sleds would have O2 sensors by now
I think you will see 2S DI for awhile yet as long as they meet the mandates. For the marine industry both the E-tec and Opti's are going to need CATS built into their exhaust come 2014 I believe. I work for Merc dealer and that is what they are telling us. Merc is going to stay in the game with their Opti's and add Cats to the exhaust. I would assume the same will come for the sled business weather a 2-stk or f-stk.
All I can say Polaris is doing something right, I'm a Polaris stock holder which is PII, they have made me a lot of money in the last 2 years.
So if Polaris wasn't doing good there stock would be bad they are making money. A new 5 year high last week.
All 4 brands make good sleds get what you want to drive.
Also Honda is not getting in the game people say this every year.
They would not make it against the big 4 they are to advanced for them plus Honda would want $20,000 for there sleds.
I like the 800 Rush is lite, very Quick and I can pull it out of the garage easy.
I need to drive the new Yamaha with power steering to much money, $15,000, but I would like to see how it compares to my 800 Rush, and 800 Dragon.
So if Polaris wasn't doing good there stock would be bad they are making money. A new 5 year high last week.
All 4 brands make good sleds get what you want to drive.
Also Honda is not getting in the game people say this every year.
They would not make it against the big 4 they are to advanced for them plus Honda would want $20,000 for there sleds.
I like the 800 Rush is lite, very Quick and I can pull it out of the garage easy.
I need to drive the new Yamaha with power steering to much money, $15,000, but I would like to see how it compares to my 800 Rush, and 800 Dragon.
Cost reduction to Mexico & Poos Atvs, motorcycles making big bucks. Not sure snomo division making much profit more PIA same as Yamaha. $15K MSRP for a sled is a joke. Snomo division big biz for AC & Doo. The Honda comment is a scam never ever going to happen unless all others leave.lol
I dont care if you have a 400hp yammi with power steering weight is weight and you cant mask it with hp on a side hilll or running in the trees and it is not if but when you burry a sled and eaven at 400hp 600lbs is a lot of weight to drive out of a 5 ft deep powder grave. and I call big time BS on reliability on the 4s sleds over 2.what are the skids better drive bearings a arm bushings on and on a sled is a sled and a sled with a worn out chasi that still runs ok is still just a old wore out pile of crap.and to say a 2 stroke cant run high mi with no issues is also crap.the highest mi sled I personaly know is a 600 3 cly yammi with over 23k on it still on the stock top end it has become this guys gole to blow this thing and it just keeps going.and when your 4 stroke has issues and it will have fun fixing that one on your own.dont hold your breath for a pro R 4 stroke it WILL NOT happen.no one in the market wants it!rush 121 possably.the only 3/4 tons I see west of the black hills are yammi dealers or aftermarket parts supplyers sleds.
Firecatguy
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few issues with the PRO chassi...if you have one go check you coolant hose...they are rubbing on jackshaft....look at coolant bottle the tabs are breaking off that hold it to sled and THE BIGGIE...look at your oil line they rub on the frame and get hole or kink.....My bud just burned his PRO down from oil issue.........
Sorry, but a $10,000+ snowmobile should not be having issues like that. These mickey mouse 10 cent issues were rarely a problem on the old sleds. Rubbing on the jackshaft? There shouldn't be anything rubbing on the jackshaft, pathetic. LMAO!
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I don't think any of the 4 companies that make our sleds are getting rich on sleds alone. It truly is a very small market and it continues to shrink. How many 22 year olds can afford a 12 K sled? When I was 22 it seemed like every family had a sled - maybe two or three. Those days are gone. There are not that many young riders anymore - not around here anyway. Even when we travel to Wisc and Mich the vast majority of riders is middle age to older. As EPA regs tighten up and more and more land becomes non-motorized or off limits I would not be a bit surprised if one or more of the current mfg's just decided it just isn't worth the hassle and pulled the plug.
anonomoose
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This has been hashed and re-hashed...but the problem with 2's is that they have to USE oil. Using oil won't let them past the 2012 regs...which is why doo did the 4 stroke...they know they need to build the credits.
As the sled prices climb, the longevity of the 2 have not. Way too many burn-downs going on with 2's...and can you really justify spending that kind of money on something that is toast in 4k miles?
Like anything else, they are leaning the 2's out and they aren't holding up...unless you are staying close to the maint. line. If you baby them sure they will last longer, but that isn't the thing most want to do.
So you are left with manu's working the 2's out to all the old timers who won't change...to save 50 lbs....and like Yammie...they are just working the 4 strokes out to build credits so that they can still build some 2's or build all 4's eventually....and they will get the weight down, and improve on traction and weight transfer so that even the big powder boys will be happy. Out west...turbos dominate everything nowadays.
Eventually all 4's.
The life of the 4's is going to be much better. And skids don't wear out like the old iron...they last as long as you aren't jumping thru the air with them. So get ready to see more 4's than 2's.
I still find it laughable that some make a big issue out of weight when you figure that you take the lightest 2's out there and add a rider and gear and fuel, and you are talking 50-75 pounds difference.
Not enough to quibble about. When you get them stuck...they are all too heavy...
And for those who really like power...jump on a cat turbo...and you will find a truely remarkable machine that basically can do everything save for some fancy side hilling...and even there...take skill over light sled any day.
As the sled prices climb, the longevity of the 2 have not. Way too many burn-downs going on with 2's...and can you really justify spending that kind of money on something that is toast in 4k miles?
Like anything else, they are leaning the 2's out and they aren't holding up...unless you are staying close to the maint. line. If you baby them sure they will last longer, but that isn't the thing most want to do.
So you are left with manu's working the 2's out to all the old timers who won't change...to save 50 lbs....and like Yammie...they are just working the 4 strokes out to build credits so that they can still build some 2's or build all 4's eventually....and they will get the weight down, and improve on traction and weight transfer so that even the big powder boys will be happy. Out west...turbos dominate everything nowadays.
Eventually all 4's.
The life of the 4's is going to be much better. And skids don't wear out like the old iron...they last as long as you aren't jumping thru the air with them. So get ready to see more 4's than 2's.
I still find it laughable that some make a big issue out of weight when you figure that you take the lightest 2's out there and add a rider and gear and fuel, and you are talking 50-75 pounds difference.
Not enough to quibble about. When you get them stuck...they are all too heavy...
And for those who really like power...jump on a cat turbo...and you will find a truely remarkable machine that basically can do everything save for some fancy side hilling...and even there...take skill over light sled any day.
bearrassler
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There is discussion in California about tightening the emissons on outboards now. It will require a catalyst on outboards and my Merc reps say it could happen in 2015 and my Yamaha reps say not until 2018 but both have said that a converter is not possible on a 2 stroke. The rest of the country follows California by a couple of years so what happens there will happen for the rest of us in the USA, but I have not heard any talk about this for snowmobiles yet.
As for sleds getting expensive and not many young people getting into the sport that is a big problem and will probably only get worse but if you look at Canada they have had expensive sleds and expensive gas for years but snowmobiling is still popular there. If you are a hard core snowmobiler you will find a way to ride.
Boat prices have went up a lot in the last 10 years and we don't sell as many as we did 10 years ago but people that love to fish or boat are still going to do it. If someone from the US asks me how much a new Lund Pro V is and I tell them 56,000 they say wow thats a lot of money and if a Canadian calls me and asks the same thing and I say 56,000 they say wow thats a great price.
motor_slut
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All Ski-Doo E-tec motors pass 2012 regs easily. The Polaris 600 SDI passes 2012 regs easily and the new 800 is expected to pass as well. The only engines that don't are the Arctic Cat throttle body injected models and the rest of the carbed and air cooled 2 strokes still out there.
So where ever you get your info from is horribly wrong.
Here is what I heard from my polaris dealer. Coming out with a 136 switchback in a Rush and also maybe adding a 500 and 700. One of the dealer reps said there is a lot of puch to come back with the 700.
For the Polaris RZR. They have a new 900 polaris motor going into it. It's in a S body style with more customer shocks for harder riding.
For the Polaris RZR. They have a new 900 polaris motor going into it. It's in a S body style with more customer shocks for harder riding.
snow_monkey
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X'2 EZRA. I agree totally. Yamis have carved a solid foot in the market with their reliability and solid chassis. On trail I would own one in a second and they keep getting better and better. I rode with P1 on Saturday and he was on his 800 155 poo. It was the first time I rode with a long track and it looked awesome!!! When I was chasing him it was like following an extension ladder with skis!!!!
motor_slut
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Polaris has been testing a new 4 stroke Rush with what is likely to be the new 900cc ProStar engine. In snowmobile form it could easily have 100hp with new cams and timing for the lighter vehicle it would be in. Add a turbo and you are looking at 160-170hp.