900 ace Compared to 600 etec

[snobuilder]

I didn't try to figure it out...I was just trying it out so I wasn't going to mess with it....LOL
I hope yur right for his sake....do you think he left it in slow mode to drag race it?....please rationalize that for me....LOL

 

[lenny]

I didn't try to figure it out...I was just trying it out so I wasn't going to mess with it....LOL
I hope yur right for his sake....do you think he left it in slow mode to drag race it?....please rationalize that for me....LOL

you'll never win this argument with the doo loyalists, the yellow has blinded them. My 07 Yamaha Rage would blow the friggin skis off a 900 ace, get as good of MPG's run 15 mph faster and much warmer sled. All this from a 7 year old sled, but hey, doo has to catch up some time so better later than never. Rage GT even rode better than 12 Gade 600 e, Gade more comfort riding position but I would not have traded even up, why? So my knees are a little less bent. Sold the 7 yr old Rage with over 12,000 miles for $3250.

Most posts on this topic were very good and spoken from experience. I have spent some time on a 600e and they pull hard up to 90, I have no experience with the 900 but I would have to agree thatit would have a great bottom end pull and flatten out before the 600.

 

[xcsp]

One would expect a 120hp Rage to be faster than a 90hp Ace900 on top end. Same goes with the etech 6 or an Indy 600.

I cannot comment on a Rage, but had an earlier Apex and don't miss it, for where & how I ride, the 900 works well for me.

 

[old abe]

Lenny; I respect you and your comments, but this time your wrong. My friend has a Rage, it's the last model year the produced them. If you think the Rage rides anything close to a Doo come on. I have 900 ACE Renegade and they are not even close to ride quality. The next time I'm up there, let's line them up. I think you will be surprised. As far as snowbuilder, he sure didn't ride anything close to the way my 900 runs.

 

[lenny]

Lenny; I respect you and your comments, but this time your wrong. My friend has a Rage, it's the last model year the produced them. If you think the Rage rides anything close to a Doo come on. I have 900 ACE Renegade and they are not even close to ride quality. The next time I'm up there, let's line them up. I think you will be surprised. As far as snowbuilder, he sure didn't ride anything close to the way my 900 runs.

keep in mind the 07 Rage was a GT and the shocks were dialed and it was silky smooth. Also keep in mind my buddy OMDave has a 12 Gade and I personally owned the Rage. we rode trail together this season and we rode eachothers sled back to back. I am not spouting off but giving you my actual experience, my Rage rode better than Daves Gade. All the smaller stuff I could feel in the skis on the Gade but the Rage it was like silk. Rage GT has much better shocks than a stock Gade. I also hit 104 on the dream meter that day but I am not claiming it's faster than a 600e, in fact, I love the pull from a 600e, it's impressive. When it was time to get fuel I used 1/10th gallon less than Dave did.

You are right for the most part that in General Doo's ride better than Yamaha's I admit that but at the same time Yamaha's can ride like poop if not set to individual rider and when set the GT models are very nice, especially the mono shock models. So, when I got back on my Rage after riding the Gade I noticed the smoother suspension, smoother power,warmer ride, much better display and easier controls. I did like the ride position of the gade better. For the riding we did that day I preferred the rage. I no longer have the rage as I sold it so I cannot line them up and if your buddy's sled is not a GT than I would have to agree with you. The Rage did have some sus parts break but the sled never was stranded and always started. This last weekend I towed the doo 600e out of the woods and it's at the dealer now, not the first time it had to go in for repairs and couldn't be ridden and it's just slightly over half the miles of the Rage. My point is this, in my experience Doo's ride better than Yamaha's, the seating position is better on a doo, but they will not last as long and be as inexpensive to operate as a Yamaha. So, for many people, we will sacrifice something to get the reliability and longevity of a Yamaha even if it does not feel as light and handle as well. I am not saying Yamaha is better than Doo, poo or Cat. I am simply saying that for some people Yamaha is the proper sled for them for their personal reasons, which I have stated above FROM EXPERIENCE, that's all.

I promise I will stay out of this thread now as it is a good question the OP started, sorry to derail it temporarily.

 

[momoney2123]

keep in mind the 07 Rage was a GT and the shocks were dialed and it was silky smooth. Also keep in mind my buddy OMDave has a 12 Gade and I personally owned the Rage. we rode trail together this season and we rode eachothers sled back to back. I am not spouting off but giving you my actual experience, my Rage rode better than Daves Gade. All the smaller stuff I could feel in the skis on the Gade but the Rage it was like silk. Rage GT has much better shocks than a stock Gade. I also hit 104 on the dream meter that day but I am not claiming it's faster than a 600e, in fact, I love the pull from a 600e, it's impressive. When it was time to get fuel I used 1/10th gallon less than Dave did.

You are right for the most part that in General Doo's ride better than Yamaha's I admit that but at the same time Yamaha's can ride like poop if not set to individual rider and when set the GT models are very nice, especially the mono shock models. So, when I got back on my Rage after riding the Gade I noticed the smoother suspension, smoother power,warmer ride, much better display and easier controls. I did like the ride position of the gade better. For the riding we did that day I preferred the rage. I no longer have the rage as I sold it so I cannot line them up and if your buddy's sled is not a GT than I would have to agree with you. The Rage did have some sus parts break but the sled never was stranded and always started. This last weekend I towed the doo 600e out of the woods and it's at the dealer now, not the first time it had to go in for repairs and couldn't be ridden and it's just slightly over half the miles of the Rage. My point is this, in my experience Doo's ride better than Yamaha's, the seating position is better on a doo, but they will not last as long and be as inexpensive to operate as a Yamaha. So, for many people, we will sacrifice something to get the reliability and longevity of a Yamaha even if it does not feel as light and handle as well. I am not saying Yamaha is better than Doo, poo or Cat. I am simply saying that for some people Yamaha is the proper sled for them for their personal reasons, which I have stated above FROM EXPERIENCE, that's all.

I promise I will stay out of this thread now as it is a good question the OP started, sorry to derail it temporarily.

i've never ridden a rage so i have no idea about those. The 2014 apex i rode wasnt really in the same discussion as far as ride quality to a 2014 MXZX. I thinks is pretty obvious comparing longevity of a 4s yama to 2s doo, the yama will win and it should haha. The better comparison would be 900ACE vs Yama 4s longevity. 900 ACE is a brand new, but appears that they will go just as long as the yama, as the 1200 has proved itself to a be a great 4s. Like I've mentioned tho my dealer had a guy with 18k on etec, so it isnt impossible.

 

[longtrack]

I really wanted to order a new 900 but I had to order another 1200. Now if I can talk my Wife into a new 900 for Her next Sled.

She said no way, we'll see. The 900 is probably the way to go, but I could not loose 40 Hp and be happy. If I had a 600 Etek the switch to a 900 would have happened no doubt.

We'll see in 3 years when I order my next one.

 

[snobuilder]

My wife went from a 700 red head trip to a 973 Rage and then I made the mistake of putting and Rx-1 under her bum. Now she won't turn back . She is currently on and Apex and next step might be a 2011 or newer one with the PS.

doo won't ever match the power, pull, song and reliability of a Yamaha 4 stroke.

personally I like the silent rush of tourquey power I get from the Nytro. You Ace guys seem to like the quiet power and pull of the Ace 9....you should experience a Nytro with the rear exhaust.

 

[whitedust]

My wife went from a 700 red head trip to a 973 Rage and then I made the mistake of putting and Rx-1 under her bum. Now she won't turn back . She is currently on and Apex and next step might be a 2011 or newer one with the PS.

doo won't ever match the power, pull, song and reliability of a Yamaha 4 stroke.

personally I like the silent rush of tourquey power I get from the Nytro. You Ace guys seem to like the quiet power and pull of the Ace 9....you should experience a Nytro with the rear exhaust.

Nytro is a trip & that rear exhaust engine is sweet but not what Ace is about. Ace all about mpg & 100 pony sled. Nytro horse of a different color.

 

[snobuilder]

so now it has a 100 HP?....LOL... next thing you know someone will compare it to being close to a 600 2 stroke....LOL
so much Doolusion!

 

[xcsp]

doo won't ever match the power, pull, song and reliability of a Yamaha 4 stroke.

personally I like the silent rush of tourquey power I get from the Nytro. You Ace guys seem to like the quiet power and pull of the Ace 9....you should experience a Nytro with the rear exhaust.

Seems that Doo has shown reliability with the 1200's? Haven't read or heard of too many complaints. The 900 owners are getting some good miles on w/o problems too.

Personally, not a fan of the underseat/rear exit exhaust but some like it.

Lucky for us consumers there are so many choices-go with what you like or want, it's your money.

Local shop has a new '12 Nytro for $8k if your looking for one.

http://www.ecklundmotorsports.com/new_instock_detail.aspx?uuid=635314623555470000&item=1890495

 

[whitedust]

so now it has a 100 HP?....LOL... next thing you know someone will compare it to being close to a 600 2 stroke....LOL
so much Doolusion!

I like the Nytro but no point in comparo to Ace not in the same class what 49 more hp if you want the exact numbers Nytro vs 900 Ace.

 

[longtrack]

Someone I know also bought a 2012 leftover Yamaha Venture with PS for 8500 last month in southern Wisconsin.

If anyone knows where I can buy a Leftover new 1200 Skidoo. for $8000 let me know asap. I will be there with some Cash.

The 900 was not built for Lake racing and I think it has more than enough power for the average rider on the Trail.

Our group rides pretty fast. I think if a 900 would ride with us it would be right on our Tail at every stop Sign. Then it would pass us up when we stopped at the Gas Station.

 

[old abe]

900 ACE 100hp? I think snowbuilder must have a ax to grind for what ever reason. His original comments spell it out.

 

[xcsp]

The 900ACE could be closer to 100hp by looks of the attached chart-stock sled.

With some clutching to allow the engine to rev to 8k, it's there.

Not sure if those who have did clutching changes have had a chance to run it on a dyno to verify.

 

[whitedust]

I don't think it makes any difference 90-100hp it is about the 4s power band & good mpg on a realitivly light platform. Ace really of little interest to me I'm a high HP guy but I'm not the target market for the sled. 900 ACE is a well received sled not hearing anyone complaining so the target market likes it a lot & that is what counts. You want a little more hp buy the etec 600 a lot more hp the 1200 4s. Good line up & product mix. IMO.

 

[snobuilder]

900 ACE 100hp? I think snowbuilder must have a ax to grind for what ever reason. His original comments spell it out.

I might have to send the whole lot of you to reading comprehension school....LOL...I didn't say it had 100 HP...WHITEDUST did....but if posting my experiences on a particular sled means i got an ax to grind, that'd be your opinion only.
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Fact is there are a couple videos out there comparing the ace 9 to the 600 e-tek and sayin the performance is close.....THIS AIN'T SOME BS I CAME UP WITH.... It's what you DOO guys want to believe.
I personally saw it proved miserably inept at coming close to a 600 2 stroke. That is what I posted on, my experience.

now go back to your unicorns and rainbows, fellas....LOL

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I like the Nytro but no point in comparo to Ace not in the same class what 49 more hp if you want the exact numbers Nytro vs 900 Ace.

I only compared the quiet power delivery of the nytro rear exit exhaust to what the ACE9 lovers were posting...I like it on my Nytro as well as the great fuel economy I get.....we are on the same page there and if the rotax 9 lives a long life mileage wise we got common love there too!...LOL

 

[old abe]

I agree on the nice exhaust tone on Nitro. But also seen on a Canadian trip how ice build up on rider and sled became a real issue. Warm up places to stop at are far apart in the northern/western Ont. Rear exhaust was the cause, and no way to quick fix problem. And I'm talking a lot of ice. Sleds were Nitro and Phaser.

 

[snobuilder]

I agree on the nice exhaust tone on Nitro. But also seen on a Canadian trip how ice build up on rider and sled became a real issue. Warm up places to stop at are far apart in the northern/western Ont. Rear exhaust was the cause, and no way to quick fix problem. And I'm talking a lot of ice. Sleds were Nitro and Phaser.

No denyin the Nytro's ice build up on real cold days.
On a 0 degree day last month i commented to a bud on his new viper how his rear skid wasn't caked with ice like the nytro was and also, to a certain extent, on the apex's that were with us. On that day, the viper's side dump muffler was great.
The colder it gets the worse the ice build up gets with the rear exhaust and this year was by far on avg. some of the coldest riding we had done with the yam 4 strokes.
I still perfer the yamaha exhaust sound WAY over the vipers....I guess there are always trade-offs.

Today, ski-doo has some great inovation that pushes the sled biz forward and we all benefit, much like Yamaha did with the first hi perf 4 stroke sleds.