900 ace motor issue?

[Cirrus_Driver]

and then I would flush it with gallons of 10-40 or some other cheap oil....the gallons will cause the piece to flow out of there...since the amount in there now did nothing...wasn't enough to rinse it out....why do I have to spell everything out all the time....think man...think for once on yer own...

Because there's many boxes with more than a few "dim" bulbs 'round these parts?

I'd be relatively sure that it isn't likely a bit of 5W-30 residue isn't going to impact the performance of the synthetic, once it's refilled.

 

[blown_apex]

small borescope and look for it
snap on one i have has a 90degree end and light
get a pic of the pickup screen
if the screen is way bigger than the piece you left in
i would run it

 

[old abe]

small borescope and look for it
snap on one i have has a 90degree end and light
get a pic of the pickup screen
if the screen is way bigger than the piece you left in
i would run it

Bore scope is very good advice in my mind. They are available at the "Cheap Tool" stores, but you get what you pay for. If you have a friend that's a mechanic, your in luck!!!

 

[Tracker]

Because there's many boxes with more than a few "dim" bulbs 'round these parts?

I'd be relatively sure that it isn't likely a bit of 5W-30 residue isn't going to impact the performance of the synthetic, once it's refilled.

yes regular oil wont hurt a bit as all or most synthetic oils are based upon regular oil anyways....looky here fellas...and especially read the section PERFORMANCE and you wil l discover that synthetic is not the save all they tell you it is...like POSSIBLY a longer engine life...not...and increased horsepower....not...and so on...and theres this in 1st sentence...and most companies do this for costs

ps...if bill was to rinse and then fill with synthetic and then ride and then do an oil change he will be good to go


Synthetic lubricants can be manufactured using chemically modified petroleum components

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

 

[dmsrx]

yes regular oil wont hurt a bit as all or most synthetic oils are based upon regular oil anyways....looky here fellas...and especially read the section PERFORMANCE and you wil l discover that synthetic is not the save all they tell you it is...like POSSIBLY a longer engine life...not...and increased horsepower....not...and so on...and theres this in 1st sentence...and most companies do this for costs

ps...if bill was to rinse and then fill with synthetic and then ride and then do an oil change he will be good to go


Synthetic lubricants can be manufactured using chemically modified petroleum components

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

Mixing Synthetic with mineral based oil isn't going to cause any issues with what you would be doing in this situation.

Yes, in spite of wiki using synthetics will increase engine life and will allow the engine to make more horsepower. No question.

 

[old abe]

Synthetic lubricants are friendly to use in cold weather applications no matter what they are, due to their designed ability to flow, or pour at colder temperatures far better than straight mineral oils. Thus the lower "pour point/cold flow" spec. They may also be able to withstand higher temperatures before the oil breaks down, or "shears" out of spec.

 

[ridindirty800]

I tried sucking the oil out of my 1200 motor, never again, did not get nearly all the oil out as there was some trapped in the bottom of the sump that I could not get. Only needed a little over 2 quarts to refil and should have been 3-3.5 now i just drain and deal with the mess it makes but feel better about it.

 

[snomoman]

I tried sucking the oil out of my 1200 motor, never again, did not get nearly all the oil out as there was some trapped in the bottom of the sump that I could not get. Only needed a little over 2 quarts to refil and should have been 3-3.5 now i just drain and deal with the mess it makes but feel better about it.

I have a 2015 Ski Doo TNT-MXZ with a 900 ace that I bought brand new. When I talked to the dealer about changing the oil, he also told me to suck it out of the fill tube. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Just for the **** of it, I put it in a coffee can & as ridindirty800 above said, I got about half of it out.
Never again. I will always use the 2 drain plugs in the bottom of the motor to get all of the oil out. It is also a good idea to run it for awhile to get the oil hot, it suspends any dirt in the oil & is easier to drain.
Another important tip that I learned on Doo Talk, when changing the oil filter, make sure that you don't get any oil in the 3 areas that the screws come out of on the top. I've heard of oil being trapped in the threads & when you put the bolts back in, it puts pressure on the housing by hydraulically compressing the oil to the point of cracking the housing. Don't let this happen to you.

 

[Tracker]

In some instances, cheap synthetics have inferior additives that deteriorate quickly, leaving behind low-quality oil that might actually be second-rate to conventional oil. In other words, skimping on a synthetic may actually leave you worse off than you'd be with a mid-grade mineral oil.

and then this.....

You may have heard that you can't mix synthetic oils with their conventional counterparts. The truth is that synthetics are compatible with conventional oil and can be used in both new and old cars. What's more, you can switch back and forth from conventional and synthetic as often as you like without problems -- they're fully compatible.

You'll also see viscosity ratings listed on a product's label. High-viscosity oils are thick and flow slowly, while low-viscosity oils are thinner and flow faster.

Oil viscosity changes as an engine warms. As engine temperatures go from cold to very hot, the oil thins, and as a result, its lubricating properties change, too.

 

[old abe]

The 1200, and 600/900 Ace engines are dry sump engines. Thus you can't just suck all the oil out such as a wet sump oil pan. Tracker there is far more to oil viscosity than just thick and thin oil. Much more, base stocks and ect. And there are also different test methods used to arrive at these viscosity specs. Many of the new "high tech" engines, gas, and diesel, have to use new oils developed with ultra low viscosity levels that have a very high film strength, shear level. These new oils have outstanding high, and low temperature specs. These new oils are needed due to the very close/tight tolerances these new engines have as designed. 15W40 synthetic pours like water compared to 15W40 petroleum base. Synthetic blends are used to offer better performance at a reduced cost compared to the full synthetics.

 

[Tracker]

The 1200, and 600/900 Ace engines are dry sump engines. Thus you can't just suck all the oil out such as a wet sump oil pan. Tracker there is far more to oil viscosity than just thick and thin oil. Much more, base stocks and ect. And there are also different test methods used to arrive at these viscosity specs. Many of the new "high tech" engines, gas, and diesel, have to use new oils developed with ultra low viscosity levels that have a very high film strength, shear level. These new oils have outstanding high, and low temperature specs. These new oils are needed due to the very close/tight tolerances these new engines have as designed. 15W40 synthetic pours like water compared to 15W40 petroleum base. Synthetic blends are used to offer better performance at a reduced cost compared to the full synthetics.

so with that in mind then OLD ABEster......my idea aboot rinsing it out with oil sounds better since you confirmed it eh?...just like water eh? good thing we can come to these conclusions so fast around these parts

 

[old abe]

so with that in mind then OLD ABEster......my idea aboot rinsing it out with oil sounds better since you confirmed it eh?...just like water eh? good thing we can come to these conclusions so fast around these parts

Your idea of rinsing it out, good luck with that???

 

[gary_in_neenah]

The 1200, and 600/900 Ace engines are dry sump engines. Thus you can't just suck all the oil out such as a wet sump oil pan.

I tried the vac method on the 1200 and only got about 3 quarts before pulling the plug. The 900 has two plugs and everything is drained.

I'm not familiar with the Yamaha sleds but we have one of their Waverunners with the TR1 engine. According to the manual & the dealer the only way to change the oil is by vac and you only get about 2/3's of the old oil. Yamaha says just add the same amount of the new blend with a new filter and you're good to go.

 

[old abe]

I tried the vac method on the 1200 and only got about 3 quarts before pulling the plug. The 900 has two plugs and everything is drained.

I'm not familiar with the Yamaha sleds but we have one of their Waverunners with the TR1 engine. According to the manual & the dealer the only way to change the oil is by vac and you only get about 2/3's of the old oil. Yamaha says just add the same amount of the new blend with a new filter and you're good to go.

Doo 4 stroke sleds much easier to change oil than Yami's. The 2 plugs on Doo's are due to the "dry sump" system.