A message to the "Professional Trail Racers"

russholio

Well-known member
That's just it, I'm not suggesting anyone give it up. But if you are that scared and think it's truly that dangerous, then yeah- you should park it. And the way most people are talking, that's what they sound like. My point is, I don't think it's that bad out there. People just come on this site to whine about their one crazy day out on the trails. The way it sounds- like to Anna- it's a free for all out there with people getting run down at every corner. I just disagree. Personally, I ride pretty fast. I've never been passed on a trail, and generally our group rides up to another, and passes. We do this after they pull to the side. I've never blown by someone on a narrow trail, in a corner, or even while they were still cruising along. I don't think I'm a jerk. Maybe some people do. I've passed people going the other direction at 50mph. This is the exception and only happens on the rail road grades in the UP where we were just cruising at about 80+. 50 on those freeways seems slow (to me at least). So to some on here, I guess I'm a 'professional trail racer'. However I don't think so. I'm not unsafe. I ride to my abilities. I slow down when there is oncoming traffic. I pass when it's safe. But I'm sure someone would think I'm being a jerk. How many people do you pass or see on the roads that are doing something ridiculous- and they're totally unaware of it? Just b/c you're moving slow, doesn't mean you're perfect.
Anna- you can ride as fast or as slow as your heart desires. Just be aware of your surroundings. If a group comes up behind. Pull to the side and wave them by. Don't cruise along at your speed for the next 5 miles and not allow them to pass. Or worse- I love it most when the 'leader' doesn't pay attention at stops or intersections. He can see that there are now 5 more headlights behind his group, but instead of letting us go, he keeps going. However some of the more considerate riders in his group let us go. Now we're caught in the middle- which I think is more dangerous. The guy in front of us might just see a headlight and not realize I'm not his wife, or whoever should be behind him.
Anyway- point is- this is supposed to be FUN. Everyone needs to stop being so dramatic and have fun out there. If fun is blazing new trails in the powder, go for it. If fun is a slower trail cruise and in before dark, great. Maybe you like to put on 200 miles and ride until midnight. Have fun. Just enjoy and stop worrying so much about the other guy. If you are in control of yourself and your machine- majority of the time, you'll be just fine. And for everyone's great fear of being run down- does anyone- ANYONE have an example (of their own, not their brother's, girlfriend's, cousin's.... where a totally innocent snowmobiler was hit and injured by one of these racers on the trail? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I honestly never hear about it. Just about everyone's 'close calls'. Those, there are many. It's part of a sport that involves driving through winding woods on sometimes icy corners. Quit whining about it.

It doesn't sound to me like you're a jerk or that your riding style is dangerous to others. I do wonder why there are a few people who feel the need to point out that they've never been passed on the trails (I've been passed, I have passed others, and not that it matters, but neither scenario impresses me). I guess I just don't understand why it seems to be such a big deal for some to get passed. I mean, as far as I know there's no checkered flag for any trail rider at the end of the day.

I would agree that it probably isn't as bad out there as it may seem by reading this thread. I would agree that there is danger in this sport and we assume some risks every time we ride. But, I think the risks could be minimized if some people just rode a bit smarter (notice I didn't say "slower" -- just because somebody likes to ride fast doesn't mean they ride irresponsibly).

Oh, how I wish I could go out and play in this paltry bit of snow we're getting............
 

Marty P

New member
AnnaWL,


Welcome to what is probably the best snowmobile site around; hopefully you will find a comfortable home here on JohnDee.

As a newbie, the speed at which you should ride should be at whatever is comfortable for you, not the person in front of you or the one behind you. Like most have mentioned, just be completely aware of your surroundings at all times and always drive defensively.

While out there getting my adrenaline fix I find that I treat others the same way I deal with virtually everyone in my daily life, with respect, courtesy, and professionalism. I have found that 95% of snowmobilers do will do exactly the same for you.

We/snowmobilers occasionally sound like a bunch of bickering children but for most, snowmobiling is a true passion and as with anything of passion we also have a fair amount of self-righteous opinions, such is human nature.

So, don’t let these “sometimes” negative threads dishearten you, this is a great community of people and we welcome you.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Interesting..........Ok let's turn this around.......... What about the guy who blocks the trail runs you left up on to the berm refuses to let you pass? Is this assault as well?? There are trail blockers out there too you know. Only time I ever passed a rider on right was when dealing with a trail blocker. Faked him left dove right bye bye see ya later.

I tried eveything with this guy waiting, brap knocks on door. Pulled left of him at stop signs. Tried to talk to him at trail fork & he jumps off sled something about let me ride with my group I said let me by & your are all done with me in 30 seconds. This guy was totally unreasonable jumps back on sled because his leader just kept on going. This was at fork Trail 3s & trail 8E. Rather than be stuck behind this guy on 3s I rode 8e to 107s little to no traffic & low & behold I come up on this guy again where 3s joins 107s. He didn't know it was me but I knew it was him & like I said sucked him left dove right & bye bye glanced in mirror & he was way up on left berm thinking I would stay left not sure he knew I was already by him. lol. Next guy in group starts the same blocking crap I use same fake left & pass him too on right. 2 sleds left in group & they start picking up the pace so I stay put fast enough & both sweepers left way behind. At 107s & 2 E these 2 riders stop in safe place I wave to them they wave to me & I'm gone in a flash. Nothing worse than a trail blocker IMO.:eek:
 
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fusion

Guest
Wow - all I can say is Wow. Crazy.
I will show quite a bit of restraint and not say all I'd like. But to the guy that says he ran someone off the trail, this in NEVER acceptable in my book. Period. If I would have done this, I would never admit it publically. As Ten Bears says in Dances with Wolves..."this is all I have to say".
 
That's just it, I'm not suggesting anyone give it up. But if you are that scared and think it's truly that dangerous, then yeah- you should park it. And the way most people are talking, that's what they sound like. My point is, I don't think it's that bad out there. People just come on this site to whine about their one crazy day out on the trails. The way it sounds- like to Anna- it's a free for all out there with people getting run down at every corner. I just disagree. Personally, I ride pretty fast. I've never been passed on a trail, and generally our group rides up to another, and passes. We do this after they pull to the side. I've never blown by someone on a narrow trail, in a corner, or even while they were still cruising along. I don't think I'm a jerk. Maybe some people do. I've passed people going the other direction at 50mph. This is the exception and only happens on the rail road grades in the UP where we were just cruising at about 80+. 50 on those freeways seems slow (to me at least). So to some on here, I guess I'm a 'professional trail racer'. However I don't think so. I'm not unsafe. I ride to my abilities. I slow down when there is oncoming traffic. I pass when it's safe. But I'm sure someone would think I'm being a jerk. How many people do you pass or see on the roads that are doing something ridiculous- and they're totally unaware of it? Just b/c you're moving slow, doesn't mean you're perfect.
Anna- you can ride as fast or as slow as your heart desires. Just be aware of your surroundings. If a group comes up behind. Pull to the side and wave them by. Don't cruise along at your speed for the next 5 miles and not allow them to pass. Or worse- I love it most when the 'leader' doesn't pay attention at stops or intersections. He can see that there are now 5 more headlights behind his group, but instead of letting us go, he keeps going. However some of the more considerate riders in his group let us go. Now we're caught in the middle- which I think is more dangerous. The guy in front of us might just see a headlight and not realize I'm not his wife, or whoever should be behind him.
Anyway- point is- this is supposed to be FUN. Everyone needs to stop being so dramatic and have fun out there. If fun is blazing new trails in the powder, go for it. If fun is a slower trail cruise and in before dark, great. Maybe you like to put on 200 miles and ride until midnight. Have fun. Just enjoy and stop worrying so much about the other guy. If you are in control of yourself and your machine- majority of the time, you'll be just fine. And for everyone's great fear of being run down- does anyone- ANYONE have an example (of their own, not their brother's, girlfriend's, cousin's.... where a totally innocent snowmobiler was hit and injured by one of these racers on the trail? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I honestly never hear about it. Just about everyone's 'close calls'. Those, there are many. It's part of a sport that involves driving through winding woods on sometimes icy corners. Quit whining about it.

I actually do have first hand experience in the trail crash department. Many, many years back, 3 of us were riding the twisties of Northwestern Wisconsin. We were riding way to fast and I highly doubt we would have passed a sobriety test. Anyways we meet up with a group of riders pretty much riding like us and most likely in the same condition coming around a corner. Our leader and their leader just missed each other in a tight corner. The next two sleds weren't so lucky. We had the inside corner and the second guy in our group couldn't hold his line and drifted up and into the guy coming from the other direction. The back of my friends sled fish tailed into the tunnel and leg of the on coming rider. This was the good part of the crash. Because I was following so closely I ended up crashing into both of them and proceeded to get t-boned by their third rider. Thankfully, the rest of their group managed to get it shut down before they got into that corner. This all happen at about 1:30 am and the temperature was well below zero. After the smoke had cleared and tempers subsided the only serious damage we found was to the sleds. Although, I'm pretty sure that my ribs would have appreciated at Tek-Vest. The funny thing about this whole episode is that after the heat of the moment had subsided and everybody figured out that nobody had gotten hurt we all started going about the business of putting the wrecked sleds back together and getting them running. It was amazing, we all ended up riding back to the motel these guys were staying at and crashed there for the night and rode with them for the next two days.

The dumb things that created this situation are pretty obvious, we were all lucky. But the thing that I think really stands out is what transpired afterward. And I guess it's not really that hard to understand why things turned out like they did if you understand the basic mentality of the passionate snowmobile enthusiast. We were two different groups of snowmobilers that were doing exactly the same thing. The only difference between the two groups was the direction we were traveling. It took us about thirty seconds to vent and then from then on it was like we'd been friends all of our lives.
 

Grant Hoar

New member
Boy, you have to hand it to us. How better to give ammunition to the non-snowmobilers that would like to see more and more restrictions, than for various posters here to talk about things like intentionally running someone off the trail?

Might as well draft their legal briefs for them, we are handing them the facts they need to support their case.

I know, this is a forum chat, so there are going to be, and there are supposed to be, dissenting opinions. What does not help our case is the pro-snowmobiling community (us) writing stuff like this that reflects negatively on us.

For all we know, the guy who talked about intentionally running someone off the trail in a curve was joking. Think about it from the other sides' perspective however, are they reading that as a joke or as what is happening in the real world?
 

ubee

New member
WOW,who cares if somebody passes you !! Its vintage week at Eagle River,if u want to race go there !. I think everybody should get out and ride some ! I have been out almost everday since X-mas(except rain) and got a couple thousand miles on and haven't seen too many sledders like past years !The conditions haven't been the greatest and pitstop owners are hurting along with places to stay! I think the economy and gas prices have effected our sport more than most people want to admit ! Alot of pitstops not opening the door till someone shows up! everybody get out and ride!
 

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blu2u2

New member
This thread sure has some very "interesting" remarks! Please don't think that I am a snail on the trail. I love to go WOT on the lakes but on the trails I drive in control on right side of the trail. I, like many, have had the "close calls" when you meet another oncoming sled (that is on the wrong side of the trail) at a blind corner. I also have a mirror that I use so I can see if I need to let a faster rider by. On the these occasions I will slow down and drive as far right as possible so the faster rider(s) can continue down the trail without being held-up.
Some of the earlier remarks make me shake my head in disbelief. These remarks are exactly what gives snowmobilers a negative image! It is disheartening if someone believes that it is ok to put another person's life in danger just to show who is the boss on the trail. This "trail rage" riding is uncalled for.
Thanks John for this site! It is a wonderful place for people to tell their stories and state their opinions. However after reading this thread it shows that common sense and respect for others are two vital elements that seem to be lacking in the world today!
 

anonomoose

New member
The commonality of many of the posters here support one premise, and that is that most have had several encounters with riders who were going too fast for the conditions including line of sight, and or were very much inconsiderate and put the other fellow riders into a very uncomfortable spot.

I am no different. My group usually consists of riders who are young, therefore inexperienced, and even those who are older and have never even been on a sled before. They are learning...to stay right, and learning to check the mirros, and learning to not string out...all the things that most of us learned while we were going thru the learning curve this sport more or less requires.

I have been riding a long time. The more I ride the more I find that I have just been lucky that nobody got hurt for all the same reasons that others have already posted.

Trying to stay in the vein of this thread, it seems to me that folks who would otherwise be decent drivers in a car or truck...just plain lose it when they get behind the handle bars and throw caution to the winds.

I don't like riding flat land...it bores me. Railroad tracks are like going across a lake...can't wait to get to the other side.

I do like to see the sights, and the going and coming is part of the fun, but it loses all aspects of fun if you have a "close call" on the trail.

So not that long ago, I decided that ALL the close calls that have occurred to me/us, have been on the trails. And NOT just on the weekends, though clearly the bone heads are most abundant at that time.

When you almost got someone hurt, the fun is gone. It has been transformed into things, like how fast can I get off this trail and onto backwoods riding where I won't have to put the group into harms way.

I have this need to get folks home again after a nice run and to NOT have a close call as the primary event that occurred to them when they go for a ride with me and my group.

That being said...I stay OFF the trails. I figure I don't belong there anymore. I use them ONLY to get to my riding areas and if I can take the LONG cut to avoid a trail I do it.

Don't get me wrong...I like to hit the flipper along with everyone else. But I just don't see the point in wrecking a sled, or worse getting somebody hurt just for the "thrill of speed". I don't need that to get excitement from sledding.

I have long thought about why trails were not made one way, or some trails exclusively for families and folks who don't have to go fast to enjoy the sport. Yes speed limited....this would give those who are learning a place to go...afterall, we don't put skiers on the black diamond run if they don't have a clue how to stop..do we?? Seems that all trails are wide open to folks who have to use their own good judgment to decide how fast is fast enough. Trails that are up down, right and left can be dangerous if some fella decides he had to get "caught up".

You know of who I speak....the folks who are wide eyed and all over the turns when ...imagine that--- somebody else is coming the other way? They turn me off of trails completely.

So I go off trail....logging roads and fire trails that means that we are very likely not to put "big miles" on the machines...but we are tired, happy and most importantly safe at the end of the day.

To me that is important....to the others who have already posted it...I agree, change the sport from within with reasonable and prudent measures, or...let those who do not know the sport at all...make those decisions for you. It has been my experience that the former is more productive and desired. The latter is always way too restrictive and unreasonable...but is NOW the LAW because we did it to ourselves. Police from within. Make the changes, or watch the sport go the way more socialist places have already gone.

Not sure of the outcome, but I know that there have been plenty of posters on here who are going to make self policing a pretty tough up-hill struggle...because they are selfish and inconsiderate, and they think that what THEY do....is just fine.

I hope that some can grasp the concept that if you have "never been passed" or that you "ran that sob...off the trail" or "sprayed that dude with ice pellets"..that you are NOT part of the solution....but rather part of the problem. It is not too late to reform.... sometimes we look back and realize that LUCK had more to do with our being around to tutor our grandkids than any intelligence we might like to pretend we possessed.

So the next time you come upon a slower machine...realize that it might be because the machine is limpin home, or the driver has a kid in his lap or the old guy is making one last run before selling the sled....stuff like that.

Nobody cares if you decide to take out a tree or two...and leave the family in a heck of a mess...but please remember that you are ruining it for the rest of us...slowly but surely. Lighten up...let others enjoy the sport so that you can continue to enjoy it too. Life is short enough without having to "give it up" because you don't enjoy it anymore...and that should NEVER be the reason that you can't continue to snowmobile...right?
 
Words of Wisdom

Anonomoose,

Thanks! Your post was exceptional, and to once again quote "Ten Bears", "this is all I have to say"!
 
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G

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Really now - is there anyone one this site under 65 besides Indy? What a bunch of fun-haters. Bitch bitch bitch. It is a two month season. Get out and ride.
 
Really now - is there anyone one this site under 65 besides Indy? What a bunch of fun-haters. Bitch bitch bitch. It is a two month season. Get out and ride.

Grub,

I was actually up your way yesterday. Got as close as Greenbush and circled back. I haven't seen another sled on the trails since Saturday.
 
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Grub,

I was actually up your way yesterday. Got as close as Greenbush and circled back. I haven't seen another sled on the trails since Saturday.

Beltrami Forest. Best kept secret. Not to worry here as obviously the best riding is in the U.P. There is a LOT of snow there. No traffic, no law - it just sucks. Have fun.
 
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