A message to the "Professional Trail Racers"

cobalt_502

cobalt_502

Active member
The only real solution is snow, if the trails are great in WI., lower MI., IL. and MN. it spreads the riders out. I will say of all the trails we have ridden in the entire Midwest the most dangerous so far have been within a 50 mile radius of Twin Lakes, so many close calls it isn't even close! We have a group of six heading up Thursday to BC for the weekend and I'm extremely nervous about this trip!
 
M

michaeladams

New member
hey,keep quiet about riding during the week.let these people stay weekend warriors.i don't want them there duringthe week during daylight hours.
 
K

kamikaze_bros

Member
rsvectordude said:
The companies are carrying the extra liability for these easements. I.E. Someone flying off the top of a hill and crashing into one of the poles. Both landowner and utility company will be sued. The gas companies are complaining trail use by both snowmobiles and wheelers are eroding the minimum required cover over the gas lines.
Click to expand...

rsvectordude,


The utilities all carry liability insurance. However, none of it is consider as an "Extra". Their premiums are based solely upon several actuarial equations that identify the company's exposures and liabilities. Power lines have been around for about as long as electric power, so I highly doubt that the people writing the policy would have over looked this particular item (the poles and lines) and then tact it on as an extra. The entire utility grid (gas, electric, phone and cable) is almost entirely distributed through easement property right down to the lines that run into your house.

“I.E. Someone flying off the top of a hill and crashing into one of the poles.”

What if this same guy flies over a hill and crash into your house, or hits a tree in your yard or bounces off of your car or hits a big snow drift in your neighbors yard and shoots up into the air and misses the power pole but still manages to hit the power lines? Based upon what you've written, the responsibility of all the damages done to your home and property is yours. However in reality this clown is still responsible for the damages he did regardless if it's a utility pole or your house.

Williams Pipe Line monitors their system continuously. The system is looked at by land and air and they also use satellite imaginary on top of that it is also monitored electronically with a systems of sensors. I highly doubt that there's much concerned regarding any erosion created by snowmobile actively. Once the ground freezes it pretty hard for anything to erode. Granted, in most years the Yoop doesn't get much if any frost in areas with snow cover. But the rest of us sure do.

As far as the wheelers go the only noticeable erosion I've seen has been pretty much in areas dedicated to 4 wheel'in. If the minimum amount of ground cover over a gas line has been compromised by 4 wheeler ruts my guess it that most if not all of the damage could be fixed with a rake and shovel in about 10 minutes.
 
S

snobuilder

Well-known member
arctic said:
There's bad apples everywhere. When it becomes a problem, DNR need to show their faces a little more often and really set an example for bad behavior like that described. There's plenty of lakes out there for bragging rights. And ****, if I could ride during the week I would! Stupid work!!!
Click to expand...


the trail bullies understand that its the wild west out there,....very few witnesses to the efed up behavior,....thats what encourages there bad act,....scare and run is what they specialize in.....I just think of alll the families and newbies that get turned off by these bozos, but that would fit in with there self serving thought process where its all about THEM and THERE enjoyment,....the rest beware or be damnned.
 
G

G

Guest
Perhaps this is being approached all wrong. Instead of harping about the evil drunks riding fast maybe we should be encouraging it. You know, kind of help Natural Selection on a little bit. The new rules will be as folllows : Nobody will permitted to operate a snowmobile from noon on Fridays till sundown on Sundays unless they are legally intoxicated. Furthermore no snowmobiler can operate any snowmobile during these hours unless it is rated at 130 or more horsepower. All the DNR officers that can be mustered will be in force at every trailhead to enforce these new rules. Any rider that approaches will be stopped and required to blow into a breathalizer machine. If not adequately intoxicated the rider will not be allowed to proceed. The DNR will provide intoxicating beverages to get the rider up to prescribed levels. At that time the rider may continue on with the encouragement of 'Hank's Bar is giving away free booze 20 miles up the trail. Ride that thing!' Spectators could gather at known dangerous spots along the way to revel in the carnage. After about 3 seasons of this most of the bad element will be gone.
 
S

snowhawg

Member
Thanks for This Post

Marty,

Thanks for starting this thread. Everything each of you has said is right on. I can only hope that the "professional trail racers" read these, but I guess that's hoping for too much. With all the safe time and miles to go fast, why in God's name can't they slow down for 30 seconds when there are sleds approaching or when passing????????

I like many of you only ride during the week. Unfortunately, some of my riding buddies can only go up for a long weekend, meaning that if I ride with them, I have to ride on a weekend. This coming weekend is one of them. We're riding from Land O' Lakes to Copper Harbor on Friday and back on Saturday. I think I'll let one of our weekend boys do all the leading this time.

Say a prayer for me!

Bob
 
K

kamikaze_bros

Member
I think it's very unfortunately that there isn't a legal way to measure or test a persons common sense and common courtesy and then impose restrictions based upon the outcome of the test of those that failed.

This entire thread really boils down to those two very simple things, Common Sense and Common Courtesy.
 
catspaz8

catspaz8

Member
I can understand most of the gripes and will move over to let groups by when I am riding with my family, as we carry a much slower pace than I would with my buds. When I ride with the guy's, we ride hard and exceed 60-80 mph's regularly. When we come up on a slower group, we will fall in behind them until they either come to the next stop, see us and let us go by, or will pass them slowly if they wave us by. What makes me crazy is when you get behind a group going 40-45 mph and the last guy is doing the weave from one side of the trail to the other, and never look back, or have mirrors and never use them. There are times and places you can open it up, but stay on you side of center, never in the middle or wrong side, especially cresting hills and coming through a corner. I have actually come to blows with a few of these jockey's on two ocassions, but I am little crazy and not the guy you want to do this to, plus I had back up.
 
K

kamikaze_bros

Member
grub said:
Perhaps this is being approached all wrong. Instead of harping about the evil drunks riding fast maybe we should be encouraging it. You know, kind of help Natural Selection on a little bit. The new rules will be as folllows : Nobody will permitted to operate a snowmobile from noon on Fridays till sundown on Sundays unless they are legally intoxicated. Furthermore no snowmobiler can operate any snowmobile during these hours unless it is rated at 130 or more horsepower. All the DNR officers that can be mustered will be in force at every trailhead to enforce these new rules. Any rider that approaches will be stopped and required to blow into a breathalizer machine. If not adequately intoxicated the rider will not be allowed to proceed. The DNR will provide intoxicating beverages to get the rider up to prescribed levels. At that time the rider may continue on with the encouragement of 'Hank's Bar is giving away free booze 20 miles up the trail. Ride that thing!' Spectators could gather at known dangerous spots along the way to revel in the carnage. After about 3 seasons of this most of the bad element will be gone.
Click to expand...

Grub,

Best solution I've seen yet. I think you're on to something.
 
legend02

legend02

Active member
catspaz8 said:
I can understand most of the gripes and will move over to let groups by when I am riding with my family, as we carry a much slower pace than I would with my buds. When I ride with the guy's, we ride hard and exceed 60-80 mph's regularly. When we come up on a slower group, we will fall in behind them until they either come to the next stop, see us and let us go by, or will pass them slowly if they wave us by. What makes me crazy is when you get behind a group going 40-45 mph and the last guy is doing the weave from one side of the trail to the other, and never look back, or have mirrors and never use them. There are times and places you can open it up, but stay on you side of center, never in the middle or wrong side, especially cresting hills and coming through a corner. I have actually come to blows with a few of these jockey's on two ocassions, but I am little crazy and not the guy you want to do this to, plus I had back up.
Click to expand...

That is basically the way I ride catspaz8, I have a buddy that has gotten hit twice by a guy on the wrong side of the trail. As for the weavers that aren't paying attention, I sometimes have to pass them just to get their attention. I try not to be an A$$.
 
C

cat_man_mike

New member
Unfortuantely, all the DNR in the state on the trail at the same time will never be enough to catch all the idiots when they are doing idiotic things. The only time they get punished is when it is too late and some innocent rider is lying next to his wrecked sled bleeding. And even then, if Johnny Rocket is not drunk, just a jerk, he gets a slap on the wrist ticket and goes on to cause more trouble. There needs to be stiffer penalties for wreckless riding.
 
G

G

Guest
This is a situation that lasts about 2 months. You are dreaming if you think the DNR or anybody else is going to pay any more attention to it than what they already are. In my experience of 35 years slower inattentive riders are a lot more dangerous than fast riders. Live with it or stay home on your couch where it is nice and safe.
 
R

russholio

Well-known member
I haven't been riding all that long compared to some (about 17 years), but I can honestly say I've never been endangered by slower riders. If the definition of "inattentive" is those who ride slow and don't look back to see who's behind them, I've never been endangered by them, either. Inconvenienced for a short time maybe, but never endangered. But I've been run off the trail plenty of times (and hit once) by Ricky Racer.
 
M

Marty P

New member
russholio said:
I haven't been riding all that long compared to some (about 17 years), but I can honestly say I've never been endangered by slower riders. If the definition of "inattentive" is those who ride slow and don't look back to see who's behind them, I've never been endangered by them, either. Inconvenienced for a short time maybe, but never endangered. But I've been run off the trail plenty of times (and hit once) by Ricky Racer.
Click to expand...

I like that, well said…
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top