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Cirrus_Driver

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Frnash....what does this mean - the difference between 1075 Flight Hours and 1253 Hobbs Hours???
Thanks

Lots of very nice deals on 2012-2014 equipment.


AIRFRAME, ENGINE AND PROP:
Airframe:

1075 Flight Hours Since New 1253 Hobbs Hours Since New Service Center maintained

No Damage History

834 pound useful load

Engine:

Continental IO-360-ES 300hp at 2700rpm 1075 Since New
 
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frnash

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XXX007 said:
Frnash....what does this mean - the difference between 1075 Flight Hours and 1253 Hobbs Hours??? …
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That's a very interesting question! Almost anybody's guess.
If I were looking to buy such an aircraft, I'd ask for a clarification.

First guess: The "1253 Hobbs Hours" is what's shown on the Hobbs meter currently in the aircraft; perhaps the original Hobbs meter was, for whatever reason, changed out somewhere along the way, being replaced by a used one which showed some different non-zero time when installed?

If so, the aircraft logs should note the Hobbs meter change, with all pertinent details.

More confusion:
"Many aircraft, especially rental aircraft, have two hour meters (although you will probably see only one). Most pilots are familiar with the Hobbs meter, which is turned on and off by an oil-pressure switch or the master switch, depending on the airplane. Pilots use this meter to count their flight time and pay their rental fee.

A squat switch, if installed, is generally located on a main landing gear leg, activates the second hour meter. This hour meter runs when it senses that there's no weight on the landing gear, then accurately records maintenance time, which is used for inspections, scheduled maintenance, and tracking engine, prop, and accessory time.
[Wheels up to wheels down = Flight time? -FRN]

<code class="nowrap" style=""></code>If an aircraft doesn't have this timer, it usually has an hour meter built into the tachometer (the aircraft may have both). This meter is designed to function accurately only within the rpm range of the engine at cruise power, so it will read low whenever the engine runs slower than cruise rpm.

A tach hour meter generally records time between the Hobbs and the squat switch-controlled hour meter, and it's perfectly legal to use the time any of them record for 'maintenance time.' "
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Note that most pertinent FARs simply say that the times must be recorded in a manner "acceptable to the Administrator".

Also (tho' I can't seem to find a citation right now),
"Flight Time, for the purposes of the Pilot logbook is measured from the time the aircraft starts to move under its own power for the purpose of flight until its movement stops at the destination."
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Or words to that effect. (Which generally would be somewhat less than the time from engine start to engine shutdown.)
 
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frnash

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frnash said:
Also (tho' I can't seem to find a citation right now),
"Flight Time, for the purposes of the Pilot logbook is measured from the time the aircraft starts to move under its own power for the purpose of flight until its movement stops at the destination."
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Or words to that effect. (Which generally would be somewhat less than the time from engine start to engine shutdown.)
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Eureka! I found the citation ("General definitions", funny I didn't think to look there!):

From (click →) FAR Part 1.1 (14 CFR 1.1 - General definitions):
"Flight time means:

(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing; or

(2) For a glider without self-launch capability, pilot time that commences when the glider is towed for the purpose of flight and ends when the glider comes to rest after landing."
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Cirrus_Driver

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@Frnash....
>1075 Flight Hours Since New 1253 Hobbs Hours Since New Service Center maintained<

When you didn't know right away I researched as part of my continuing reading on ALL things flight. I verified what you confirmed in your last post.

So for 178 hours the aircraft was sitting on the ground with engine running and NOT moving/flying? If I was at the point of buying, I'd just call them and find out.
This seemed a bit unusual to me unless they were trouble shooting endless problems of some sort.

It seems rather clear these thing depreciate like crazy if you buy new, so buying used looks like the obvious way to go - assuming you can get an aircraft to check out with an inspection.

Normally this time of year I'm thinking about what sled to buy next. This year I don't care at all. I just want that license and plane sitting in a hangar.
 
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frnash

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A Flight Simulator video (and " Win a Flight Simulator").

XXX007:
(I tried to send this as a PM, but found that:
"XXX007 has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.")

Message follows:
Mark:
I just received the following invitation via email today:
From: PilotWorkshops <tips@pilotworkshop.com>
Subject: Last Chance To Win This Flight Simulator!

"Watch this short video and you can enter to win a complete, 3-monitor, plug-and-play home flight simulator valued at over $2,000. This is the perfect tool to build and maintain your skills at home.

"The video explores an ATC clearance that confuses Instrument pilots of all experience levels (even professional pilots) and then provides a simple, clear explanation of this clearance so you won't get caught unprepared.
You must watch the video no later than Monday in order to be eligible to win the simulator.

Get more details here...
(click →) https://www.pilotworkshop.com/info/star-mastery-video/
The video is well worth watching if nothing else. It's about handling a complex, confusing IFR clearance.
It shows a simulated IFR flight, with rapid fire amended clearances, one after another.
This is about as hairy as it can get, certainly not something one is likely to experience with a nice shiny new IFR rating!

You don't need to sign up to view the video; (I viewed it in a Firefox private window).

(It may turn into a pumpkin after Monday, though.)
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P.S.: The video is 19 min + 21 sec.
Having trouble with the video/entry? (click →) here for an alternate format.
</tips@pilotworkshop.com>
 
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Cirrus_Driver

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Watched the video. Complex stuff, and of course I guess incorrectly on the options in the simulated scenario, but many pilots did.
I won't be flying a Pilates turbo-prop at 4 miles per minute into NY Teteboro, so no worries.
Cleared the inbox.
 
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Tracker

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hey triple XXX....thought you might like to see this...the guys I told you to call....one of them is in the paper...cool stuff...this be the airport i was talking aboot that you would be learning at...you would receive your license from the best and toot sweet also....something to think aboot if ya still got that number. this is where and who my brother was the instructor for his operation...really neat story though

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http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/...cle_cea20754-bd8a-51e0-ad6c-5823821b2c33.html


Griffith resident and racing legend Paul Goldsmith will be at the Griffith Historical Society's Franklin Center History Room from 5 to 8 p.m. Friday during the Rock 'N' Rail Car Show on Broad Street sponsored by the Griffith Firefighters Association.


Goldsmith, owner and operator of the Griffith/Merrillvile Airport, won five American MotorCyclist Association Nationals from 1952-1955, as well as winning the '53 Daytona 200 before moving onto four-wheeled vehicles in 1956.





He continued his winning ways in both stock cars and Indy cars, including two USAC National stock car championships. Goldsmith is one of the few men to ever compete in the Daytona 200, the Daytona 500, and the Indianapolis 500, and the only racer ever to win on the famed Daytona Beach course on a motorcycle and in a car.




Goldsmith will be on hand to talk to museum visitors and sign autographs in the lower level of Franklin Center where the Griffith Historical Society has created a special display of photos, historical items and racing videos dedicated to Goldsmith and Griffith resident and Goldsmith partner Ray Nichels.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichels
 
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Cirrus_Driver

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Paul Goldsmith - I remember him from Indy Cars - vaguely.

The update is, I got the FAA application all completed on-line, but they told me don't submit it too soon, so all I have to do is hit SEND, and bring the file confirm number in to the AME. (Appt. 11/28/17)
I got doctors letter explaining the kidney stone and one from the dentist for the prescription, and page upon page of 3 years of med history they require. I'm pretty confident this will get approved (98%), and then the fun will start early next year.
Meanwhile I'm soaking up everything I can find on Garmin Perspective, and IFR/IMC tech training.
 
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