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That tells me that Tesla got parts that Poo and Doo and AC thought they were going to get.
Any info on Polaris sled shipments?
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That tells me snowmobile OEMs got greedy. Probably be different this year only so many order slots based mostly on Spring orders. OEMs will include slots for in season dealer sales. New car sales now are by order 3 month lead time.
Yes, parts delay.
I lived in TRF until 3 days ago and was told by a peer who's husband is a line supervisor in Roseau that there are 140ish sleds sitting outside with 2,300 hours of labor needed once the needed various parts come in.
Bear
Or buy Cat or doo's.
The Cat I ordered for work and my 850 Gades were in a few days before turkey day.
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Poo lived by the "Just in Time" parts/inventory system, and now it's killing them. Poo as a whole didn't make the necessary needed adjustments to the Covid pandemic before it was way too late. And then the labor, and shipping issue on top of it.
bogiewheel
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Certainly they are not doing this on purpose, but it makes one question how they are managing their supply base. I know this from my work, it might be difficult but the key is to re-forecast then communicate. I had a November 3 email that all is on track for the December 15 commitment therefore I sold my latest 2 Yamahas. Then on December 15, I get a message of them pushing to anytime February. At that point, the pickins for alternatives was pretty slim so I had no choice but to stay the course. My remaining Yamaha, twice retired, isn't holding up to the challenge of the #1 spot. I sure wish I had known the reality in early November.
No question in my mind, they aren't managing the issue to the benefit of the customer like the opening sentence of their emails suggest. Sure Polaris can blame their suppliers, but tier 1 suppliers would have known their position as would the tier 2 and 3 vendors. With all this, Polaris could have communicated better dates, if they choose to.
No question in my mind, they aren't managing the issue to the benefit of the customer like the opening sentence of their emails suggest. Sure Polaris can blame their suppliers, but tier 1 suppliers would have known their position as would the tier 2 and 3 vendors. With all this, Polaris could have communicated better dates, if they choose to.
Its easy to say the manufacturers should have know but being a materials manager for a large manufacturing company I can tell you its dang near impossible. Your suppliers tell you a date for Jan 5th and you ask them on 1/1 if its still on target and they tell you now its 4/5. And there are thousands of parts so you can't call on every part every day. You enter the supplier promise dates in the ERP system and then it spits out schedules based on all those thousands of parts and their promise dates. So its truly a communication thing at this point. We have to communicate with our customers, our suppliers need to communicate with us, their suppliers need to communicate with them, and on down the line.
We have chassis suppliers continuing to move out deliveries, electronics are impossible to get, hydraulic hose and fittings. In the world of procurement right now its not any fun.
We have chassis suppliers continuing to move out deliveries, electronics are impossible to get, hydraulic hose and fittings. In the world of procurement right now its not any fun.
Sounds to me many suppliers will be looking for new business as manufacturers can’t trust the relationships they have now and order elsewhere. It won’t change until suppliers have to pay a penalty for inaccurate schedules. Have an escalating penalty delivery clause will change things quickly.
harvest1121
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Well my Sidewinder is coming maybe late April thanks Fuji for the 850 Skidoo my first since 1998. My friends 2 650 Polaris's did come in so they did get a few out.
What model year SW in April?
SledTL
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I was trying to figure out how to share this similar experience with others as a manufacturing engineer. It is also not a simple "make it here" mantra either. The entire world system is completely messed, and in all honesty I think it will be years before it is back to how life was in say 2018. In fact I would be surprised if most businesses operate the same way going forward because the previous systems in place just don't allow for that. I do think that at least with the snowchecks they should have limited it to a certain number produced. Its a well known fact in the mfg world that you can't get parts or things are delayed. Why hang people to dry and ruin an already short season. At least when I am looking to buy a car right now the guy tells me straight up they aren't going to build that for at least 5 months, and even then it has to get slotted in. Make your decision off that information.
We're dealing with the same thing. We manufacture commercial HVAC sensors. We are having huge issues getting our electronic assemblies. These are made in MN, but the PCB house has a couple other factories in the states. Lead times are all over the place. We never know when we will be getting the assemblies in. Impossible to plan for with our Production and relaying the info to customers. We started looking at other vendors, but lead times are unknown. Bigger price increase with no known ETA on those that we are quoting. It's not as simple as just looking for other partners, and giving our current one an penalty for inaccurate schedules. Maybe when the world gets back to normal after a couple years, but certainly not now. I agree the only thing Polaris could have done is limit orders. We'll probably see that happen for the next couple years. If I was Polaris, I would not have made empty promises. That's the only thing they could have done different. Their hands are tied with their suppliers.
So how do you explain the head of the Polaris snow division going on video in October telling snow check customers all sleds would be delivered in November?? That's 7 months after we ordered the sleds and one month from when he thinks they are getting delivered. Mine didn't get built until January 5th and delivered late January. Clearly more then one supplier let them down. Sounds more like all of them.
Actually received a call out of the blue yesterday from Polaris. Call started off with "just reaching out to our loyal snow check customers" which I knew was bad news. Happily was told that the sled I ordered in March 2021 was now scheduled to ship March 16 - April 1st. Wow, what great news.
Add injury to insult is that I have personally witnessed on a dealer site out East, the exact same sled I ordered on the dealer website available for sale. That, coupled with many similar models (slightly different color combo) like mine at dealers in Wisconsin, for sale, just pisses me off!
Enough of the excuses about labor, materials, supply chain, etc.... Yes I know they exist, I am in the transportation and logistics industry, and have actually done work with and for Polaris, but management and oversight of the production of vehicles placed with snow check is a joke!
Polaris just posted record profits so they are building and moving product, despite all the "difficulties" Bad management, scheduling, planning, whatever is what they have issues with, and my one time " snow check"' experience with Polaris will be just that, one time.
Add injury to insult is that I have personally witnessed on a dealer site out East, the exact same sled I ordered on the dealer website available for sale. That, coupled with many similar models (slightly different color combo) like mine at dealers in Wisconsin, for sale, just pisses me off!
Enough of the excuses about labor, materials, supply chain, etc.... Yes I know they exist, I am in the transportation and logistics industry, and have actually done work with and for Polaris, but management and oversight of the production of vehicles placed with snow check is a joke!
Polaris just posted record profits so they are building and moving product, despite all the "difficulties" Bad management, scheduling, planning, whatever is what they have issues with, and my one time " snow check"' experience with Polaris will be just that, one time.
harvest1121
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Getting the LTX Gt wanted power steering but its supposed to be a 2022. Dealer said you can order a 2023 but more money not worried about depreciation with the supposed price increase. But who know if it does not come maybe a Skidoo 900 Enduro for her. She liked how the Viper rode and did not like the 850.
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