Bad behavior

byr 13

Member
You what I find astonishing when I read this thread, how easy it is for people to ramp up the sarcasism and disrespect. I’ve come to terms a few years back that this is how people conduct their lives. People care little for others and will trash them in a blink of an eye. I miss visiting this site but when I read some of the responses to the original poster, I am quickly reminded why I choose to NOT subject myself to the continual disrespect that many here typically exhibit.

Some of us still are respectful, kind and caring but it’s an attribute that’s on the decline. We’ve sunk to a new level of morality which is very discouraging. Odd thing is, this is normal for many of you. Your lucky this isn’t my site because,,,,,let’s just say,,,,,the membership wouldn’t be quite as high as it is.

Now, you know who you are so rip me a new one like you know you cannot resist.

amen lenny
 

dfattack

Well-known member
As in the immortal words of Julius Caesar (almost):
"We came, we seen, we conquered"? Aaaack!
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[English is a dying language!]
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Not much irritates me but this one really does. I see how much of my real estate taxes go to the schools. Why aren't teachers correcting this in school?!
Frnash correct me if I'm wrong but "I seen it" is not correct. It's "I have seen it"...so basic...

And Lenny, I agree with everything you said. Miss you posting on JD. Don't avoid us due to a few cranky people.
 

frnash

Active member
… Why aren't teachers correcting this in school?! …
Amen to that!
… Frnash correct me if I'm wrong but "I seen it" is not correct. It's "I have seen it"...so basic...
Even more basic:
"I see", "he, she, or it sees", "you (both singular & plural) see", "they see". - present tense (simple present tense)
"I saw", "he, she or it saw", "you (both singular & plural) saw", "they saw". - past tense (simple past tense)
How could it possibly be easier?

Note: Some folks, notably folks from India in particular, seem to work at making it overly cumbersome by obsessively using:
"I am seeing" … - present progressive
"I was seeing" … - past progressive
"I have seen" … - past perfect (pluperfect)
… where the simple present/simple past tenses really are appropriate, not to mention simpler and easier.

It ain’t all that hard, folks. The "K.I.S.S." principle applies.

P.S.:
How often have you heard the question: "Where are you at?"
The "at" adds absolutely nothing here! "Where are you?" is all that’s necessary.

P.P.S.:
When I see/hear: "We are going to base out of Houghton."
I’m tempted to ask: "How far out of Houghton?"
I have to believe that they’re really going to "… base in Houghton!", No?

Incidentally, I really suffered through English classes in elementary school — they were so dаmn boring!
I thought all this stuff was obvious, and that they beat on it so hard it bored me almost to no end.
Of course I used to read dictionaries and encyclopedias in those years, focusing mainly on etymology — where our words come from.

Then at Mich Tech I had a class called "Vocabulary and Diction".

The "textbook" we used was a rather thin little work: (click→) “Latin and Greek in Current Use”, less than 300 pages, which was really not about Latin or Greek, but all about etymology — the Latin and Greek origins of much of English. (Many other, cheaper editions are also available, possibly used, any one's a great deal. The origins of English haven't changed much in many decades.)

Check that book on Amazon; note the first 5-star review, by P. F. Brennan, quoted here:
"I received a copy of this book in 1953 - when I graduated from grammar school.
Through the rest of my education and my entire professional life, it helped me develop a vocabulary that enhanced my ability to understand what I was being taught; and made it possible for me to communicate my knowledge with precision and color.
I have never forgotten the lessons I learned from this volume, and as a grandparent and mentor today, I was delighted to discover that after 60 years it is as exciting and useful as when I first encountered it.I couldn’t agree more as to the true value of that book."
I couldn't agree more. I believe that a solid understanding of etymology is the key to at least spelling, if not grammar too.
 
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old abe

Well-known member
Not much irritates me but this one really does. I see how much of my real estate taxes go to the schools. Why aren't teachers correcting this in school?!
Frnash correct me if I'm wrong but "I seen it" is not correct. It's "I have seen it"...so basic...

And Lenny, I agree with everything you said. Miss you posting on JD. Don't avoid us due to a few cranky people.

I don't disagree with you dfattack, but the parents bare the responsibility to teach their children right, from wrong. Be responsible!!! I think it all starts at home. Brought up right, live right.
 

1fujifilm

Well-known member
Bad behavior.

At the Super 8 Houghton yesterday some douce on a white Ski-Doo wearing a backpack with a can was braaping up and down lake shore speeding and making a ton of racket. Not one lap but six, I thought where is a cop when you need one this guy is a moron.

Bear
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
snobuilder, believe it or not, I do appreciate your post. I’m very glad to hear how you and your crew conduct yourself in this sport. As a local I thank you, seriously.

Two points I want to make. First, as a local who is going on 11 years in da UP, I’m not exaggerating when I tell you that there is a serious problem with sledders trespassing. This issue is real and as “the breeze” suggested, we need to sort of “police each other” with hopes of improving things. With the current trend, more regulation will be the result,,,,,it’s inevitable.

Second, I know Matt “thebluff” personally and can attest to his integrity. He’s not a BS’er. Matt has supported the industry in lodging, has groomed trails for many years and is very much community oriented. I cannot sit back and let you dump on someone you don’t know personally. Are you suggesting he’s making this up?

Lastly, I am seriously encouraged to see you step up in your last post and offer a serious explanation, much appreciated. If all the guys would interact as you do while sledding, we would have no problem.

I don't doubt he did exactly what he said he did, but in every situation there are extenuating circumstances that never get explained . So when I read a post like this I take it with a grain of salt. There is always 2 sides to the story......This time it seems someone from MN took a kick in the arse for perhaps a lot of built up frustration on the part of this Bar.
I don't like Facebook for many reasons and this one ranks right up there. Someone parks on my property where they aren't allowed I would tell them to move....real simple, take control of your own situation.

All this type of thread did was allow a bunch of ppl to chime in , say hooray for nailing these darn trespassers and Oh by the way I am way better than those idiots.
 

yamadooed

Active member
Best to just have Lincoln towing haul it away as less drama would ensue...

LOL I like how Bergland always gets dragged into the drama!!!
 

nhra1000

Member
Can 6 locals nursing their $.75 tappers for an hour really keep your doors open?

Sorry for the bad behavior on the part of a few individuals but burnt bridges are even worse in PR terms.

I sure hope I run into you in person some time.....that is a moment I will cherish forever.
 

old abe

Well-known member
I sure hope I run into you in person some time.....that is a moment I will cherish forever.

Ehhhhhhhhhh??? The good, the bad, or the ugly?????????? Idk??? Please take this as a little bit of humor, please!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing nasty intended.
 

thebluff

Member
Get real Lenny. My sarcasm is a direct over reaction to the Piss and moan of this thread starter. It was obviously posted without any regard for a solution. It was done in degradation an retaliation for someone parking in a bad spot. YET we see no actual proof of this terrible action.

Myself and everyone I have ever rode the UP with has had nothing but respect for the establishments we support. We never walk in with the attitude that YOU all >NEED US<....>NEVER<....and I Know I speak for thousands here.
AND I will say that we have shown MORE respect than we have received in the overall scheme of things. No problem with that....planning to keep the sledder crowd happy on a day to day basis is huge task especially in fringe snow areas where it can change week to week.

Remember who this tread was started by....it wasn't some arrogant sledder complaining about being PLOWED IN, was it?

I am also very happy to supply both the picture of the rig along with the close up of the plate, I was just not smart enough to load a picture on this board. Lenny, thank you for the kind words. It puzzles me that when things are blatantly in the wrong that anyone would find reason to push back.


The solution was absolutely included in my "piss and moan":
"Call each other out...you do not have the right to trespass or violate local laws....when you do, it makes all look bad." Simple solution....and one that will work.

You self describe as one who shows nothing but respect yet you view the problem we all experience regularly with what seems like contempt. I find that confusing but I do understand how you might think you (as a good apple) are being lumped with the bad ones (without a doubt are the minority...but exist enough that we encounter it often). I have spent many years as an advocate of this sport and ATV's. Look back over the years, I have told this community the same story several times before...because it needs to be told.

If you think Lenny's story or mine are made up...or that somehow there is a justification in any of the behavior based on circumstances...good on you (anyone that believes this way). Find someplace else to ride. There are many that do have respect (snobuilder being one I am sure) that are welcomed.

I live here and like the freedoms we have. We have a pile of them for sure. I like to see others come and enjoy those freedoms too. Those freedoms are not license to ignore keep out signs, trespass, etc....all of which lead to freedom being restricted.

"Remember who this thread was started by...." Hint: A guy that values personal property rights and the rule of law with a do unto others way of thinking.

For those that don't like the message....Possibly there is some reason?
 

thebluff

Member
I am not interested in engaging this further but I am sure I will read any additional thoughts. I said my piece. Safe riding to all.
 

euphoric1

Well-known member
why not start enforcing rules, signage and outright disrespect of personal and private property with tickets, I know this wont work for all but somehow take the money raised and earmark it for trail support weather it is for property owners, grooming equipment, clubs or to repair what ever damage has been done at the end of year and instead of making a mochary of one individual some how post weather its through signage, website posts or a thread on this site, thanking all the violators and posting the moneys that were raised and the violations they came from, may seem far fetched and probably wont deter most but it does boil down to respect, because with out the landowners there would be no trails, without the clubs and their members to carefully mark and maintain the trails, there would be no trails. I don't know if anyone was ever to bunker hill by lake linden when he was there but when you walked in there was a sign loud and clear not only of people who wrote bad checks but a list of people not allowed on his property, first and last name and from what I came to know of the owner when he was there, there was a very good reason why those names were there all comes down to respect and follow the rules, rules are made and signs are posted for a reason.
 

blkhwkbob

Active member
The snow job was a little much but the property owner would have been justified to have the car ticketed and towed.

I really think the people on this board wouldn't typically be the guys misbehaving.
 

old abe

Well-known member
The snow job was a little much but the property owner would have been justified to have the car ticketed and towed.

I really think the people on this board wouldn't typically be the guys misbehaving.

I think what you are saying is lets be responsible acting people on both sides of what ever the issue is??? Good idea!!! Calm minds make for good judgment imo.
 
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