Cuthead hurt again

[G]

It seems like there are more injuries every season. There are already a bunch this year after only two weeks. Lacy is dinged already. Ankles don't heal all the way for weeks but he will play with 2 lbs of tape holding things together for the rest of the season. It really is a game of attrition. Whoever avoids major injuries usually wins the SB. New England without Brady? Not going to win. Green Bay without Rodgers? Not going to win. Vikings without Chad Greenway? Not going to win. Just kidding there. The game has gotten more brutal as the athletes get bigger and faster. More popular also. The viewing public seems to like seeing guys getting carted off the field.

 

[durphee]

I agree grub, it seems that injuries are really adding up. It could be like this every year (I haven't looked up any statistical info) but the game is getting bigger, faster, stronger. People like to compare past players to current but in almost all cases there is no comparison.
Injuries are always a key issue, but also what position is injured. Not all positions are equal. A few key great players anchor a defense or offense, rest fill roles. No QB=death sentence.
As for the Bears, I agree with others; draft, draft, draft. Bears have to get a QB in the draft and develop that player. I do think White, again just my opinion, is going to turn out to be a good receiver. Forte is most likely gone, trade for him won't get you much. Im hoping that Fuller just needs time to develop. This is a total rebuild that will have to take several years.

 

[momoney2123]

I agree grub, it seems that injuries are really adding up. It could be like this every year (I haven't looked up any statistical info) but the game is getting bigger, faster, stronger. People like to compare past players to current but in almost all cases there is no comparison.
As for the Bears, I agree with others; draft, draft, draft. Bears have to get a QB in the draft and develop that player. I do think White, again just my opinion, is going to turn out to be a
good receiver. Forte is most likely gone, trade for him won't get you much. Im hoping that Fuller just needs time to develop. This is a total rebuild that will have to take several years.

Personally i dont think injuries have to do as much with being big and fast as it does with how they practice. Walter payton was just as big and fast as players today . No more hitting in practice or double days like they used too do. You cant replicate game speeds and contact by playing patty cake like they do now in practice. Im not saying its the only reason for injuries but i do think it contributes. All the hamstrings, calfs, ankles and knees dont strike me as being to big. Concusions i could relate to size and speed. I duno.

 

[whitedust]

This game won't be pretty as Seahawks get first W & Bears go to 0-3. Hawks should take this one by middle of Q2 at home. 0-3 Bears not surprising playing Packers ,Cardinals, then Hawks just not up to that level of competition. Now next week when Bears play the Raiders it will be very telling.... if Bears can't beat the Raiders they can't beat anyone write off the season & start looking at draftable QBs as time better spent.

 

[timo]

prolly won't beat the raiders I would think even if the bears are at home (think they are) the Raiders would be slight favorite. the raiders aren't all that bad looking this year. Armari Cooper is gonna be a stud and Derek Carr looks to be the real deal also. they got a good young back. All them years of losing has bought the Raiders some talent.

This game won't be pretty as Seahawks get first W & Bears go to 0-3. Hawks should take this one by middle of Q2 at home. 0-3 Bears not surprising playing Packers ,Cardinals, then Hawks just not up to that level of competition. Now next week when Bears play the Raiders it will be very telling.... if Bears can't beat the Raiders they can't beat anyone write off the season & start looking at draftable QBs as time better spent.

 

[momoney2123]

The bears are by far the worst team in the NFL with clauson starting. Like it or not but cutler moves the chains. First time in 35 years a team punted on every possesion. First time since 02 bears were shutout. If you think cutler is bad as it gets then watch clauson try to play the position and run an offense. cutler gives GB a game and keeps it 1 score, if clauson started week 1 bears lose 31-0.

 

[timo]

Yes you don't hear many Cutler haters anymore.
He could move the chains and put points on the board.
Claussen shouldn't be in the NFL.

 

[slickwilly08]

Yes you don't hear many Cutler haters anymore.
He could move the chains and put points on the board.
Claussen shouldn't be in the NFL.

I agree, and as a Bears fan it's nice to see how bad they are without Cutler. It should open the eyes of the Cutler haters. But then again they are too dumb to realize that he is a decent QB.

 

[snocrazy]

They are planning for the future at this point. Just saw this posted on nfl.com
Jared Allen - Carolina acquires the Bears pass rusher in exchange for a conditional draft pick, Ian Rapoport reports
Going to be a tough season to watch.... I personally think Allen is old and slow compared to what he used to be but this is a sign they are making room.

Go Hawks

 

[dcsnomo]

I agree, and as a Bears fan it's nice to see how bad they are without Cutler. It should open the eyes of the Cutler haters. But then again they are too dumb to realize that he is a decent QB.

That's not the point with Cutler. The point with Cutler is that he is the 25th best QB in the league, but the 7th highest paid. Rodgers made $22m and had 12 victories ($1.83m per win). Cutler made $18.1m for 5 wins ($3.62m per win) . Romo makes the same as Cutler, he delivered 12 wins, Stafford nearly the same with 11 wins. Roethlisberger and Brady make less. Yeah, Cutler is a "decent" quarterback. He is paid to be exceptional. He is not.
Cutler haters aren't dumb, they are realists. It's a salary cap game, and Cutler's salary is too big.

 

[whitedust]

Ratliff back Allen traded for picks or players is a good move he was out of position with Bears & will help Panthers D. We will probably see move moves like this no one protected on Bears team they need everything so anything is possible this year. Pace a busy man!

 

[garyl62]

That's not the point with Cutler. The point with Cutler is that he is the 25th best QB in the league, but the 7th highest paid. Rodgers made $22m and had 12 victories ($1.83m per win). Cutler made $18.1m for 5 wins ($3.62m per win) . Romo makes the same as Cutler, he delivered 12 wins, Stafford nearly the same with 11 wins. Roethlisberger and Brady make less. Yeah, Cutler is a "decent" quarterback. He is paid to be exceptional. He is not.
Cutler haters aren't dumb, they are realists. It's a salary cap game, and Cutler's salary is too big.

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[momoney2123]

That's not the point with Cutler. The point with Cutler is that he is the 25th best QB in the league, but the 7th highest paid. Rodgers made $22m and had 12 victories ($1.83m per win). Cutler made $18.1m for 5 wins ($3.62m per win) . Romo makes the same as Cutler, he delivered 12 wins, Stafford nearly the same with 11 wins. Roethlisberger and Brady make less. Yeah, Cutler is a "decent" quarterback. He is paid to be exceptional. He is not.
Cutler haters aren't dumb, they are realists. It's a salary cap game, and Cutler's salary is too big.

In todays NFL, you have to pay for a QB. Plain and simple. Tannehill, RG3, Kaepernick, dalton, flacco...the list goes on...cutlers 16m dollar salary is right in the ball park for his caliber of player, im not saying that contract was a good move, but at that point the bears didnt have much of a choice. The real issue with the bears is their 32nd ranked D over the last 2 seasons. Cutler is not the Qb to do it all himself, we know that. There is only about 3 Qbs in the world maybe less right now that could win despite a terrible D. But its really much easier to pin it on Cutler for the lame stream fan. Im not saying he is great or a top level player, but he is not the reason the bears suck.

 

[whitedust]

Da Bears wanted to trade Cutler & no takers in the NFL...to me that is very telling other teams did not see the value for the bucks. Nothing to do with fans it was a biz decision made by GMs. Is the Bears O worse without Cutler?...YES....but Clauson not suppose to be #1 QB. Pace is talking to everyone to improve Da Bears an injury to a key player on another team & any position palyer on the Bears is gone for players and/or future draft choice. I have no problem with what Pace is doing & the Bears will be better in a few years very painful but has to happen to get better.

 

[G]

Ratliff back Allen traded for picks or players is a good move he was out of position with Bears & will help Panthers D. We will probably see move moves like this no one protected on Bears team they need everything so anything is possible this year. Pace a busy man!

They got a 6th round draft pick for Allen and they just paid him a huge roster bonus. Carolina only has to pay him 800000 bucks. They got nothing for Allen and paid him a ton of bucks. Not the best deal in the world.

 

[whitedust]

They got a 6th round draft pick for Allen and they just paid him a huge roster bonus. Carolina only has to pay him 800000 bucks. They got nothing for Allen and paid him a ton of bucks. Not the best deal in the world.

Round 6 draft choice is very good deal for Alllen & out of position on Bears 3-4...Also good for Allen to play as DE for 4-3 Carolina finish out his playing days. Bears could have waited & got nothing for him...Allen old and skills fading very good deal for an old guy.

 

[momoney2123]

Da Bears wanted to trade Cutler & no takers in the NFL...to me that is very telling other teams did not see the value for the bucks. Nothing to do with fans it was a biz decision made by GMs. Is the Bears O worse without Cutler?...YES....but Clauson not suppose to be #1 QB. Pace is talking to everyone to improve Da Bears an injury to a key player on another team & any position palyer on the Bears is gone for players and/or future draft choice. I have no problem with what Pace is doing & the Bears will be better in a few years very painful but has to happen to get better.

The only team we know that the bears offered to trade was tennesee. for the #2 pick..or mariota. We really dont know who else was offered cutler. there are few teams that he would have fit. I would bet cleveland or houston would love cutler right now. But There is really no way to trade a Qb, the reason why you rarely see Qbs traded. Im sure he could have been moved, but i dont think pace liked the return and felt they could compete with cutler this year while the rebuild.The bears will move on from cutler likely after the season, and it will be a boom or bust type scenerio. they with either find an elite young QB in the draft and become a playoff team year after year or they will wiff and be bad for the next 5-10+ years. wiffing on a top 3 pick kills the franchise.

The bears also traded bostic for a 6th round pick to New england, which makes for 9 draft picks next season, forte is next to go and jeffrey is also rumored to be on the trade block. While I agree with the allen trade and it was def something we needed to do, the bears payed 11.5 million bucks for basically no prodution. Another knock on phil emery and the old regime. But the 6th round return is better than the nothing we would have got by waiting until the season ends.

 

[timo]

What Grub is saying is the bears are paying Carolina 11.5 million ( or in that ballpark ) for Allen's contract for the remainder of the season while Carolina is only paying 800,000.
My question is who signed an old aging pass rush only d lineman to a 13 million a year player. Stupid!!
The old GM was it Emery? I wouldn't let that dude manage my fantasy team.

I'm so glad our GM don't make irrational shoot at the hip signing's like this one that cripple a teams future.

Round 6 draft choice is very good deal for Alllen & out of position on Bears 3-4...Also good for Allen to play as DE for 4-3 Carolina finish out his playing days. Bears could have waited & got nothing for him...Allen old and skills fading very good deal for an old guy.

 

[momoney2123]

What Grub is saying is the bears are paying Carolina 11.5 million ( or in that ballpark ) for Allen's contract for the remainder of the season while Carolina is only paying 800,000.
My question is who signed an old aging pass rush only d lineman to a 13 million a year player. Stupid!!
The old GM was it Emery? I wouldn't let that dude manage my fantasy team.

I'm so glad our GM don't make irrational shoot at the hip signing's like this one that cripple a teams future.

Yes it was emery. he made multiple bad signings. cutler, jennings, allen, bushrod, all big money no production. The main reason i think allen stunk it up tho was he lost 30-40 pounds with that sickness he got last year. I dont want to speculate that or he got off the juice. But anytime a dlineman loses 30+ lbs you have to be concerned.

The packers made a simliar signing with peppers, that one worked out. i think allen and peppers signed for the exact same amount 3 year 30 mill. when it works you look like a genius, when it doesnt, you get fired lol.

 

[momoney2123]

Another thing to consider with peppers vs allen. one plays with a lead more often than not and gets to "tee off" on oposing Qbs, knowing they are likely passing and can focus on pass rush. while allen lol never had a chance on that D, along with losing weight. With that said peppers is still a better player, i did lose some respect for him as he gave up in his last 2 years as a bear. altho i think it had something to do with emery and trestman, dont think he was happy how they handled the whole lovie firing along with running urlacher outa town.