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Possibly. But, on the other hand, playing Cutler could be a mistake. Here's why. Let's say Cutler is still out week 4, Bears lose to Raiders, season starts 0-4. Current rebuilding discussions hint strongly at Cutler not being a Bear for 2016. The argument has been "Hey, let's play Jay 1 more season while we fix the big problems, then trade for a younger, cheaper QB in 2016." But with Cutler out and an 0-4 start, why would you play him? So you can finish 2-14? Why would I risk injury to a huge salary, for a player who does have an injury history, just to look good? An injury to Cutler makes him untradeable. I would bench him, put a "For Sale By Owner" sign on him, and tell him to smile for the cameras. At age 32 he is still a marketable player. As mentioned above, Pittsburgh could use him. But, if he gets injured it is a huge hit to the Bears 'cause they are then stuck.

The idea was to play Cutler in 2015 to at least have a somewhat decent season. Now that it appears the 2015 season is a bust, trade him now while you can.

An injury makes him untradeable ?????? At 100% he is untradeable. His salary is obscene. Nobody is going to take that on for the ? return? on Cutler. His track record is what it is. He has had better O lines but he has had decent receivers and running backs throughout his career. He will do 9 things right and then he on his tenth play he will do something stupid and turn it over. It has always been that way.
 

durphee

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I just hope the Bears actually act like a professional team and draft accordingly. I dont want them reaching on a QB and have it fail, its a high risk/high reward. I would rather start rebuilding with higher reward players (best player available) and wait on a QB. You can win with Cutler at QB actually, basically making him a game manager with a high skilled offense. And, when one comes along grab a QB.
 

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Its a new NFL, the days of going to the super bowl with rex grossman are over. Without an elite QB you have virtually no chance of winning a super bowl anymore, let alone being a playoff team year in and year out.

Yea, you're right. Back in the mid-80's teams were winning with hacks like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Theisman and Phil Simms.

Seriously though. Obviously a star QB can be a HUGE part of any winning team, but it's just one player, not a team and my point was to not throw all your draft eggs into one basket on hopes of hitting the jackpot. Plenty of promising "shinning stars" that did not shine.

Bears have NEVER been a top-name QB team and I doubt that will change, unless ownership changes.
 

momoney2123

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Yea, you're right. Back in the mid-80's teams were winning with hacks like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Theisman and Phil Simms.

Seriously though. Obviously a star QB can be a HUGE part of any winning team, but it's just one player, not a team and my point was to not throw all your draft eggs into one basket on hopes of hitting the jackpot. Plenty of promising "shinning stars" that did not shine.

Bears have NEVER been a top-name QB team and I doubt that will change, unless ownership changes.

John elway and those guys were great no doubt. But back then you could still play defense. There were none of the rules that are in place today. Look at joe Montana's stats the year he won league mvp, i think it was 1989. His stats were nearly identical to jay cutlers last year. The difference is defense. Even the best...elway and montana thru a ton of pics, which gave teams that didnt turn it over and ran a legit chance to win. Today you cant touch a reciever or QB. Which is why the good ones are so valueble. They cant be stopped consistently with the new rules.

Point is its a QB league, while its still a team game and the team wins, you cannot win it all or consistantly without a star QB

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You have guys like rodgers who hasnt thrown a pic at home in like 3 years. Dont get me wrong he is a all time great player but he isnt that much better than the elways, marinos, montanas. Those guys never even dreamed of the stats put up today.
 

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you can't just think cuzz you get a first round pick you gotta take a QB or else.

Brady was a 6th round pick and he maybe the G.O.A.T.
Montana was a 3rd round pick.
Rodgers 24th pick.
The list goes on of guys who were picked after the first round that won SB's.
What I'm trying to say is you can not think since you have the #1 pick you need to take a QB and before you know it you drafting the next Jamarcus Russell.
 

durphee

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Yea, you're right. Back in the mid-80's teams were winning with hacks like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Theisman and Phil Simms.

Seriously though. Obviously a star QB can be a HUGE part of any winning team, but it's just one player, not a team and my point was to not throw all your draft eggs into one basket on hopes of hitting the jackpot. Plenty of promising "shinning stars" that did not shine.

Bears have NEVER been a top-name QB team and I doubt that will change, unless ownership changes.

Thats exactly what I am worried about, the Bears trying to hit the jackpot right off the bat. I would rather see a long term team development concept that can sustain itself. RG3 is one of the examples. If a QB is available that Bears think is going to be good, take him. If they have a lot of concerns, wait and get another position covered. But, they need to get a good QB at some point, just don't over reach.
 

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you can't just think cuzz you get a first round pick you gotta take a QB or else.

Brady was a 6th round pick and he maybe the G.O.A.T.
Montana was a 3rd round pick.
Rodgers 24th pick.
The list goes on of guys who were picked after the first round that won SB's.
What I'm trying to say is you can not think since you have the #1 pick you need to take a QB and before you know it you drafting the next Jamarcus Russell.

Haha i agree, i dont think that. But when scouts are already calling groh the best QB prospect since luck, you have to lean towards that route.
We are bears fans, we are DIEING for an elite QB. We have spent first round pics on them before.....big jim mcmahon...harbough...mcnown.....grossman.....

I would gaurentee pace already has scouts on the ground watching every cal and mich st game. If he doesnt feel they are worthy of a top 5 pic, im sure he will pass. but its really tough to pass on a player that can turn a franchise 180.


Yes you can find QB's in the back end of the draft, unfortunetely those are outliers. Most of the greats are first rounders.
 

timo

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I hear ya..




Haha i agree, i dont think that. But when scouts are already calling groh the best QB prospect since luck, you have to lean towards that route.
We are bears fans, we are DIEING for an elite QB. We have spent first round pics on them before.....big jim mcmahon...harbough...mcnown.....grossman.....

I would gaurentee pace already has scouts on the ground watching every cal and mich st game. If he doesnt feel they are worthy of a top 5 pic, im sure he will pass. but its really tough to pass on a player that can turn a franchise 180.


Yes you can find QB's in the back end of the draft, unfortunetely those are outliers. Most of the greats are first rounders.
 

momoney2123

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Few early predictions for who the bears will draft from the "experts"


The Chicago Bears are struggling mightily so far this season, losing their first three games including Sunday’s humiliating loss against the Seahawks, 26-0. While the Bears defense is in dire straits, today’s NFL is a quarterback’s league, and Jay Cutler is not the man of the future for the franchise.

Michigan State Spartans quarterback Connor Cook is a plausible candidate as a first-overall pick, as he possesses a several attractive qualities. He plays in a pro-style system, has a good arm, and proven proven himself to be productive. So far this season, after four weeks, Cook has racked up 838 yards and nine touchdowns.


It's either a quarterback or a blue-chip defender like Joey Bosa at No. 1 for the Bears. The conservative John Fox may push for Bosa, but I think Chicago ultimately has to take a potential franchise signal-caller. Jay Cutler's days in Chicago are numbered, so the Bears need to start over and rebuild. They can do that by drafting Connor Cook.


Jay Cutler has worn out his welcome in Chicago, and his recent injury may push the Bears high enough in the draft to make selecting his replacement a possibility.

There wasn't a clear-cut target among the quarterbacks in this draft class entering the season, but Jared Goff seems to have separated himself from the group.

Goff's accuracy sets him apart and helps make up for his otherwise modest physical tools.

While he isn't a slam-dunk No. 1 selection, the Bears need to rebuild and should take the best quarterback on the board if possible.


___this I like to hear....



Scott Eklund ‎@ScottEklund

Four Chicago Bears scouts here to watch the UW/Cal game...guessing that Cal QB Jared Goff is the big attraction...but I could be wrong
 

whitedust

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Anybody think Matt Forte was on display for the Seahawks? Maybe the entire NFL too? Fox put Forte back in after he had his back bent into a pretzel seemed odd to me in a lost game.
 

durphee

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I looked back on Rodgers draft situation, I couldn't remember why he slid so far back. It was really interesting to read all the scouts projections and such. It was also interesting to read the big debate the Packers had in drafting a guy who, they knew, wouldn't even have an impact on their team for at least several years. First rounder who sat the bench for three season, don't hear of that much. Which makes you wonder if throwing a newly drafted QB right into the mix of a NFL starter is such a good idea. I know snaps are a big deal to help learning but how much does it impact their career negatively? Rodgers fell to the right team at the right time.
 

momoney2123

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Anybody think Matt Forte was on display for the Seahawks? Maybe the entire NFL too? Fox put Forte back in after he had his back bent into a pretzel seemed odd to me in a lost game.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/09/rumor-matt-forte-and-willie-young-trade-markets-heating-up/

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I looked back on Rodgers draft situation, I couldn't remember why he slid so far back. It was really interesting to read all the scouts projections and such. It was also interesting to read the big debate the Packers had in drafting a guy who, they knew, wouldn't even have an impact on their team for at least several years. First rounder who sat the bench for three season, don't hear of that much. Which makes you wonder if throwing a newly drafted QB right into the mix of a NFL starter is such a good idea. I know snaps are a big deal to help learning but how much does it impact their career negatively? Rodgers fell to the right team at the right time.

I think if they are good and going to be great they should play and i dont think sitting them helps.... only way i see it helping is if you have someone who is a mental midget and will get flustered and lose confidence by executing poorly. Elway, marino, Peyton manning, luck...all played from day 1. IMO rodgers would have been good no matter what, with that said im sure he learned a lot from brett Favre mistakes which made the transition for him a little smoother
 

whitedust

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Only thing I didn't like about Rogers is when he told Brett to "move over old man". Cocky for a rookie but he did develope into a heck of a QB.
 
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Luck is the only sure fire starting QB drafted in recent memory. They are very rare. The bears need everything except maybe a kicker. Even if they hit the jackpot and drafted a franchise QB he would get killed behind a crappy O line. When Forte goes they will need to fill that slot. Although the RB position is getting to be a plug and play position they would still have to get somebody. And then you have the defense. They just need too many pieces. There will be no quick turnaround for the Bears. It is going to take many years. The Packers are already grooming their future QB. They always seem to have something locally grown in the pipeline at all the skill positions. Totally different team-building philosophy than the Bears. IMO it would be better for the Bears to start with the D. Like the recent Vikes. And the Hawks. And the Ravens. And the Bucs. AND THE '85 BEARS!!!! Defense wins championships. Not QBs that throw 50 passes a game.
 

whitedust

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Luck is the only sure fire starting QB drafted in recent memory. They are very rare. The bears need everything except maybe a kicker. Even if they hit the jackpot and drafted a franchise QB he would get killed behind a crappy O line. When Forte goes they will need to fill that slot. Although the RB position is getting to be a plug and play position they would still have to get somebody. And then you have the defense. They just need too many pieces. There will be no quick turnaround for the Bears. It is going to take many years. The Packers are already grooming their future QB. They always seem to have something locally grown in the pipeline at all the skill positions. Totally different team-building philosophy than the Bears. IMO it would be better for the Bears to start with the D. Like the recent Vikes. And the Hawks. And the Ravens. And the Bucs. AND THE '85 BEARS!!!! Defense wins championships. Not QBs that throw 50 passes a game.

Bears O line is pretty darn good and no players will be traded in that position also looking good & young at center. Bears will be ok with their D and will get better but are just horrible on O. Can't win if you can't score points 3 and out too hard on D.
 

momoney2123

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Luck is the only sure fire starting QB drafted in recent memory. They are very rare. The bears need everything except maybe a kicker. Even if they hit the jackpot and drafted a franchise QB he would get killed behind a crappy O line. When Forte goes they will need to fill that slot. Although the RB position is getting to be a plug and play position they would still have to get somebody. And then you have the defense. They just need too many pieces. There will be no quick turnaround for the Bears. It is going to take many years. The Packers are already grooming their future QB. They always seem to have something locally grown in the pipeline at all the skill positions. Totally different team-building philosophy than the Bears. IMO it would be better for the Bears to start with the D. Like the recent Vikes. And the Hawks. And the Ravens. And the Bucs. AND THE '85 BEARS!!!! Defense wins championships. Not QBs that throw 50 passes a game.

Yes it is rare. Luck, elway, peyton manning are about the only sure fire QBs ever.

This shows how little you know about the bears. The Oline is above average.

Langford aka the backup running back looks like a very capable RB. Fast and strong.

The defense is the biggest need..yess.....thats what the 8 other draft pics and 60 million in free agency is for. You cant buy an elite QB...they are not for sale!!!!!!!! you can buy anything else!!!

Ok so bears get #1 pick and there is a QB and an elite DE available. Tell me what a DE will do for the bears? get them 6 wins and some cool TV adds?

JJ WATT is the best defensive player in the league every year but his team stinks and cant make the playoffs...what is houston missing....a QB!!

you can win a championship in todays NFL without an elite defense. Without an elite O line, without an elite group of WR's.....you cannot win it without an elite QB..period! the packers dont really have anything special other than the best QB in the league. that roster in nothing special!! if it was they would have more SB's!!! take rodgers off that team and they win 5 or less games.

The bears must roll the dice on a QB. it could cost them, but the gamble is too great not to take. The best Qbs make the playoffs every year..even with crappy rosters like the colts, and have a chance to win super bowl every year. The seahawks have an elite D and QB......which is the best of both worlds and were 1 play away from back to back SB's. The cardinals, bills, st.louis, cincy...they have elite D's....no QB.....look where they end every year. at home watching great Qbs make deep playoff runs.

The days of the bucs 2001, ravens 2000, bears 2006....are over..its a QB league, its the most important position in all of sports.
 

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You guys all retired or work the night shift? I barely have enough time to read all your posts while I'm on a quick lunch break at my desk, much less put that much thought and time into writing a post.
 
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Yes it is rare. Luck, elway, peyton manning are about the only sure fire QBs ever.

This shows how little you know about the bears. The Oline is above average.

Langford aka the backup running back looks like a very capable RB. Fast and strong.

The defense is the biggest need..yess.....thats what the 8 other draft pics and 60 million in free agency is for. You cant buy an elite QB...they are not for sale!!!!!!!! you can buy anything else!!!

Ok so bears get #1 pick and there is a QB and an elite DE available. Tell me what a DE will do for the bears? get them 6 wins and some cool TV adds?

JJ WATT is the best defensive player in the league every year but his team stinks and cant make the playoffs...what is houston missing....a QB!!

you can win a championship in todays NFL without an elite defense. Without an elite O line, without an elite group of WR's.....you cannot win it without an elite QB..period! the packers dont really have anything special other than the best QB in the league. that roster in nothing special!! if it was they would have more SB's!!! take rodgers off that team and they win 5 or less games.

The bears must roll the dice on a QB. it could cost them, but the gamble is too great not to take. The best Qbs make the playoffs every year..even with crappy rosters like the colts, and have a chance to win super bowl every year. The seahawks have an elite D and QB......which is the best of both worlds and were 1 play away from back to back SB's. The cardinals, bills, st.louis, cincy...they have elite D's....no QB.....look where they end every year. at home watching great Qbs make deep playoff runs.

The days of the bucs 2001, ravens 2000, bears 2006....are over..its a QB league, its the most important position in all of sports.

It is still a team game. The teams that get to the playoffs and win are the teams that get through the regular season the healthiest. You have to have a respectable RB to keep a defense honest or even the best QB will not be able to function. You have to make some stops on defense. There are such things as shut down corners and they are extremely valuable. Your kicking game has to be reliable. And it helps a lot to have coaches driven to the point of insanity. There are many pieces to the puzzle. But you are right. You can't have John Elway in his prime. You can't have Joe Montana. You can't have Marino and you can't have Luck either. You can go right ahead and take the highest ranked QB in the draft and start him day 1 but it will be a crapshoot. You can spend a bunch of money in free agency - which the Pack just about never does - and get a bunch of used up overpaid retirement bound salary suckers that can no longer perform. Yes - if everyone you drafted for the next 3 years turned into a superstar the Bears would be back. But it doesn't work that way. If the Bears had such a good O line how come they couldn't run on Seattle with 3 extra tight ends and Forte? They need everything. Start with a DE and cool TV ads. Plan on a five year build.
 

momoney2123

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It is still a team game. The teams that get to the playoffs and win are the teams that get through the regular season the healthiest. You have to have a respectable RB to keep a defense honest or even the best QB will not be able to function. You have to make some stops on defense. There are such things as shut down corners and they are extremely valuable. Your kicking game has to be reliable. And it helps a lot to have coaches driven to the point of insanity. There are many pieces to the puzzle. But you are right. You can't have John Elway in his prime. You can't have Joe Montana. You can't have Marino and you can't have Luck either. You can go right ahead and take the highest ranked QB in the draft and start him day 1 but it will be a crapshoot. You can spend a bunch of money in free agency - which the Pack just about never does - and get a bunch of used up overpaid retirement bound salary suckers that can no longer perform. Yes - if everyone you drafted for the next 3 years turned into a superstar the Bears would be back. But it doesn't work that way. If the Bears had such a good O line how come they couldn't run on Seattle with 3 extra tight ends and Forte? They need everything. Start with a DE and cool TV ads. Plan on a five year build.

RB's are a dime a dozen. New england has a bunch of hacks make it work and win SB's. And other recent super bowl winners like giants and packers in 2010 had nothing special at RB. I agree you have to be healthy and have a respectable Defense, a good Qb and Good trench play and your in to win. You cant win on QB alone, but you cant win without a QB. plain and simple, trying to argue that in todays NFL is a waste of breath. Any GM in todays NFL will agree they have to find a QB first. it is bar none the most important asset to a franchise. If there is a QB worthy of a top pic like winston and mariota were this year.....and the bears have the chance to take him....they undoubtably will. Sorry but JJ watt type player does nothing for the bears, but the next andrew luck does. Do you really believe winston and mariota for example were the best players in last years draft? Nope....but the reward is too great to pass up, its can set up a franchise for a decade+

PS. A defense like seattle loading the box playing man to man on the outside...knowing clauson is worse than a hinetit on a boar, is like taking candy from a baby. Look at what the offense did when cutler was in and you have to respect the pass. they ran all over the packers and cardinals until cutler went down...game ova. one other interesting stat, when cutler was QB for 12 drives this season and yes its small sample, but the bears have averaged over 51 yards and 3 points per drive and over 8 yards per play. All those figures would have led the NFL last year. The bears have plenty of pieces to build around but must find help in draft...starting at a young QB..even if he sits for a year behind cutler
 
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