Disrespect To Our Landowners

shoelessjoe

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I don't blame the sleds because they are capable of off-trail riding or the image they portray,its still the disrespectful a-hole driving them to blame.


Couldn't agree more. I just said this yesterday on a different thread but I'll say it again today, my grandpa was a farmer and had stories of chasing guys off his fields years and years before there were Slednecks, sled videos, crossover sleds, camcorders and You-tube. Guys were probably riding 300cc sleds with 90 inch tracks, a far cry from todays cross-over sleds.

PEOPLE TRESPASS TODAY FOR THE SAME REASON THEY ALWAYS HAVE: THEY EITHER DON'T KNOW THEY ARE DOING IT OR THEY DON'T CARE AND DO IT ANYWAYS.


My car can do 120mph so if I go 120mph and break the law is it the manufacturers fault for providing me with the ability to do so or my fault for being a dumba**? If a sled can ride off trail (which all of them can) is it the sleds fault for trespassing or is the dumba** who's driving at fault?


I don't really watch sledding video's so I don't think it is the video's that lead me to get a X-over sled and start riding off trail more. I would say that the fun of it and the fact that I didn't have to dodge all the trail racers all weekend were the main factors. Maybe we should blame all the crazy fast trail sleds and trail riders for all the trespassing and crossover sleds?
 

gruff

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As for Maps The States should make to show where to go? I'm thinking EDUCATION IS THE PROBLEM. I'm not sure how things work in the rest of the world, but in our county and most of the rest of the midwest, its the Club Members Time and Expense that goes into those maps, we spend our own money and time going out and asking landowners to use their trails, and time, expense, and equipment to make the trails, sometimes hire someone to map the trails, (GPS), then we hit the road, again our own expense getting sponsers to pay for printing the maps for all to use. we do get a small kick back from the state at the county level for maintaining trails, but it all goes to groomer expenses. Thats why you see all these club fundraiser to pay for alot of the expenses the clubs have, but that still doesn't cover the time or gas money or equipment use of the individual club member. but us RESPECTFUL CLUB MEMBERS do if for the love of our sport, and when we ride in a different area, WE SO APPRECIATE the hard work of those clubs for their trails and KNOW what went into it. WE ALSO USE AND VISIT the sponsors on the Maps, because we know if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have maps, if you want different kinds of maps, then you take the time and energy and make them up, don't always expect someone else to do it.
So if you don't want to join a club, or do the hours of work on the trails, then obey the signs and stay on the trail or stay home. you are just hurting the sport. It shouldn't have to be this way, but its time to police ourselves, if you see someone off trail, chew them out or turn them in. otherwise our trails will be closed, and there will not be anymore riding. its coming.
As you can see with this Thread, Just PLEASE think about what your doing, half the guys are begging you to stay on the trail or if you don't know don't go.
 

WisDoo

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I live in Ashland, and ride off trail a lot in Northern Bayfield County and not just the fire roads but open bowls and meadows, I am 100% sure of where I am all the time. I live here, I hunt here, I pick blueberrys, ect I know this area. I ride in the UP a number of times every year. I want to venture off trail so bad but haven't yet because I don't know who or what. I have done my research I have made maps I have looked at the plat book but I am not 100% sure and therefore I stay on the trail or known fireroads. Maybe the punishment for violating should be more harsh, chop off throttle hands if caught off trail on private land or areas you should not be. It is just like the mountains you can't play everywhere, why, because there are avalanche prone areas and if you screw around there your gonna pay with your life. Now imagine the same is true in other areas but rather than avalanche danger you have homeowner danger!!!! Treat it with respect either way.
 

98panther

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What good a plat book, unless your going to look up the owners and ask them for permission.
It's all owned by someone/some thing. Doubt anyone is going to get a book and start calling around.
 

WisDoo

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What good a plat book, unless your going to look up the owners and ask them for permission.
It's all owned by someone/some thing. Doubt anyone is going to get a book and start calling around.

Not neccessarly a lot is owend by the state and is ridable. But not all!!
 

98panther

New member
Everything I find online Federal or State only mention riding the trails.

So a plat book seems worthless to me. unless you live in an area.
Telling people to buy a plat book and do their homework before they come up is not realistic.

I don't care either way- too much work - why leave a perfectly good trail anyway, LOL
 

eao

Active member
fyi................................


<center>NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 451 of 1994</center>

324.73102 Entering or remaining on property of another; consent; exceptions.Sec. 73102.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (4), a person shall not enter or remain upon the property of another person, other than farm property or a wooded area connected to farm property, to engage in any recreational activity or trapping on that property without the consent of the owner or his or her lessee or agent, if either of the following circumstances exists:
(a) The property is fenced or enclosed and is maintained in such a manner as to exclude intruders.
(b) The property is posted in a conspicuous manner against entry. The minimum letter height on the posting signs shall be 1 inch. Each posting sign shall be not less than 50 square inches, and the signs shall be spaced to enable a person to observe not less than 1 sign at any point of entry upon the property.
(2) Except as provided in subsection (4), a person shall not enter or remain upon farm property or a wooded area connected to farm property for any recreational activity or trapping without the consent of the owner or his or her lessee or agent, whether or not the farm property or wooded area connected to farm property is fenced, enclosed, or posted.
(3) On fenced or posted property or farm property, a fisherman wading or floating a navigable public stream may, without written or oral consent, enter upon property within the clearly defined banks of the stream or, without damaging farm products, walk a route as closely proximate to the clearly defined bank as possible when necessary to avoid a natural or artificial hazard or obstruction, including, but not limited to, a dam, deep hole, or a fence or other exercise of ownership by the riparian owner.
(4) A person other than a person possessing a firearm may, unless previously prohibited in writing or orally by the property owner or his or her lessee or agent, enter on foot upon the property of another person for the sole purpose of retrieving a hunting dog. The person shall not remain on the property beyond the reasonable time necessary to retrieve the dog. In an action under section 73109 or 73110, the burden of showing that the property owner or his or her lessee or agent previously prohibited entry under this subsection is on the plaintiff or prosecuting attorney, respectively.
(5) Consent to enter or remain upon the property of another person pursuant to this section may be given orally or in writing. The consent may establish conditions for entering or remaining upon that property. Unless prohibited in the written consent, a written consent may be amended or revoked orally. If the owner or his or her lessee or agent requires all persons entering or remaining upon the property to have written consent, the presence of the person on the property without written consent is prima facie evidence of unlawful entry.

History: Add. 1995, Act 58, Imd. Eff. May 24, 1995 ;-- Am. 1998, Act 546, Eff. Mar. 23, 1999
Popular Name: Act 451
Popular Name: NREPA
Popular Name: Recreational Trespass Act

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yamahauler

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Actually in Minnesota the law is written(very vague) where you can hop over the fence with the sign saying no trespassing and you aren't breaking the law. Where you break the law is when the land owner says to leave the property and you don't immediately comply.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.605

Read the iii(3) part

Does this mean to go and trespass, no, but it is crazy to think that is how the law is written
 

snocrazy

Active member
This is a subject that really gets me fired up.
My land is marked. The lake I live on is 100% private access only.
Yet Jags always end up on my property or zipping around the lake. I now have cameras and am going to prosecute every last person I possibly can. If I happen to catch them in the act, I dont know what is going to happen. I have a real short temper and one stupid response and I am almost sure I will end up in jail. Maybe some serious *** kickings or being held until the state police arrive will get the word out.

Sounds like a fair trade to me - trespass for *** kicking!
 

ubee

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DSC02289.jpg DSC02283.jpg There are places you can boondock. Iron county Wi. has desintated areas ! My favorite is NW Ontario ! You can ride off trail as long as you are registered,insured and wear a helmet ! If you ride their groomed trail system you need to buy a permit ! You can ride logging roads,lakes,rivers,even some numbered highways without a club trail permit DSC02291.jpg .I always buy a nonresident fishing license and carry a spool of mono and some jig hooks in my pack.Never had a problem and have been checked numerous times ! i stopped taking guys here in Wi. cause they all use GPS's and give the cord to there buddys or come back with big groups I still like to ride the lakes and rivers here while checking my traps !! Pd $ 45 bucks last yr for Mich trail permit,complained to a bartender and he told me if I didn't like it to ride my sled in Wisconsin. So now the Snow Gods have punished us all and I got my first DSC02281.jpg DSC02292.jpg Wi. ride in by myself ! UBEE
 

mjkaliszak

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View attachment 38064 View attachment 38065 There are places you can boondock. Iron county Wi. has desintated areas ! My favorite is NW Ontario ! You can ride off trail as long as you are registered,insured and wear a helmet ! If you ride their groomed trail system you need to buy a permit ! You can ride logging roads,lakes,rivers,even some numbered highways without a club trail permit View attachment 38063 .I always buy a nonresident fishing license and carry a spool of mono and some jig hooks in my pack.Never had a problem and have been checked numerous times ! i stopped taking guys here in Wi. cause they all use GPS's and give the cord to there buddys or come back with big groups I still like to ride the lakes and rivers here while checking my traps !! Pd $ 45 bucks last yr for Mich trail permit,complained to a bartender and he told me if I didn't like it to ride my sled in Wisconsin. So now the Snow Gods have punished us all and I got my first View attachment 38066 View attachment 38067 Wi. ride in by myself ! UBEE

I'm glad someone is willing to take the "rap " for the lack of snow LOL...
Living a life of sin ... UBEE !!!! offending bartenders & snow gods..... ( just kidding )
I too just had my 1st ride last weekend, in a national forest... Ever since I went up a hill that said " no motorized " trail ( last year ) ... I have been ever so cautious, we rode 2 tracks, roads, and pathways and marked trails and had a blast. There was 4 of us, most have never been boondocking, we kept it legal.

I think everyone should just enjoy the snow, =:)
 

crash0

New member
It is the videos and pictures, the progress of mountain and crossover sleds, and the lack of respect. If you see ANY sign saying to stay on the trail you abide by it, if you see a no trespassing sign you respect it, if you pop out near someone's house you immediately turn around and get the **** out of there. I started riding the bush in 2006/2007 and it is pretty sad to see the lack of respect people have for private property. I remember a couple of years ago we were at Krupp's and some guys came down the road heading towards to Mini-mart and cutting across people's front yards because there was untouched snow.

If you don't know where to go, DON'T GO. If you don't know the land or at least have a plat book, DON'T GO. If it says no trespassing or has a no snowmobiles sign, DON'T GO.

And you might know after you and a buddy crossed the putting green and sank a sled in the creek. This was just down the road from the mini mart. No snowmobiles sign was posted and you and I were both there. I guess we all learn the hard way once an a while. I know your a good guy and all. Just sayin!
 

catalac

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And you might know after you and a buddy crossed the putting green and sank a sled in the creek. This was just down the road from the mini mart. No snowmobiles sign was posted and you and I were both there. I guess we all learn the hard way once an a while. I know your a good guy and all. Just sayin!
Man thats cold. You just dimed him right out!
 

Pucknutz69

New member
Raise the trail pass fee and cut the landowners that are kind enough to allow trails on thier "remote" areas a property tax break. Such as the powerlines. Totally disrespectful cutting across driveways and into peoples yards. I really hate the knuckleheads that gas it on every road crossing, boy thats so cool!! I will say after just riding 370+ miles the past couple days, sometimes entering towns to get gas can be confusing. Still no excuse to ride yards. Where I live I used to be able to ride from my house down the street to the trail. Now thanks to guys riding thru yards instead of sticking to the curbs I can't do that any more.
 

Firecatguy

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This is a subject that really gets me fired up.
My land is marked. The lake I live on is 100% private access only.
Yet Jags always end up on my property or zipping around the lake. I now have cameras and am going to prosecute every last person I possibly can. If I happen to catch them in the act, I dont know what is going to happen. I have a real short temper and one stupid response and I am almost sure I will end up in jail. Maybe some serious *** kickings or being held until the state police arrive will get the word out.

Sounds like a fair trade to me - trespass for *** kicking!

this right here is some good stuff........
 

harvest1121

Well-known member
Michigan just needs a good weekend of the Dnr giving $500 trespassing fines. I was in Twin Lakes yesterday and got cut off twice by off trail people looking to trespass and coming out of the woods. Half the reason the trails get torn up so quick is the deep lug tracks. They are always standing up and like to see how big of a rooster tail they can do on the trail. Was in the Park View yesterday for lunch it was a totally different crowd with out the back pack crowd with all the long tracks.
 

Firecatguy

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Michigan just needs a good weekend of the Dnr giving $500 trespassing fines. I was in Twin Lakes yesterday and got cut off twice by off trail people looking to trespass and coming out of the woods. Half the reason the trails get torn up so quick is the deep lug tracks. They are always standing up and like to see how big of a rooster tail they can do on the trail. Was in the Park View yesterday for lunch it was a totally different crowd with out the back pack crowd with all the long tracks.

I was in Twin lakes area also and could not belive the people that dont stop at stop signs then go speeding thru town the one guy was on the other side of the trail even...why cant they stay on their side?the one guy I followed had studs and he would just burn off at every road crossing and leave a big pile of snow in the street then he even waved at one guy....
 
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cuzzinolaf

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And you might know after you and a buddy crossed the putting green and sank a sled in the creek. This was just down the road from the mini mart. No snowmobiles sign was posted and you and I were both there. I guess we all learn the hard way once an a while. I know your a good guy and all. Just sayin!

The putting green is in that little area on the power lines before you cross the creek? I don't recall any no trespassing signs to be honest but that was a while ago; had to be 2007 or 2008, and I've also learned a lot since then. A well, I guess no one is perfect and maybe I'm guilty. I can tell you if I knew it was the putting green I wouldn't have cut across that area. I don't ride up that way much anymore but know I would always get pissed when I saw tracks going across the golf course.
 

POLARISDAN

New member
Comes back to that idiotic mentality " I'm not from around here, and I might not ever be back, so what do I care?" It's too bad it can't snow everywhere at once so people can stay in their own area to ride. When some people travel to ride, they think they're "entitled" to ride when and where they want to. I just don't get it, if ya can't stay on the trails, stay in your recliner!!!

this is to broad of an assumption that its the "outsiders"..we were at the carnage in wis a few weeks ago and the moron we pulled off his upside down sled on private property had wi tags..

up in grand mariah last week big no sled signs and tracks going right into it(didnt see who did it)

point is local or not..there will always be tresspassers bucuz the few always ruin it for the many..
 

POLARISDAN

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Sorry, blaming the media is BS. Yes, mfg's may use photos or the like to sell the product but it is the person buying/driving the machine that makes the decisions. It's not like they have a headline for the UP that says, 'Come One, Come All, Drive Where You Want.'

I hate to use this as an example and in no way will argue on this particular thread about this but it works the same way. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, it's that simple. The person who bought/used it is the one that makes the machine work and do as they want.

well said.,.its the person..to blame the machine or the ads is ludicrous
 
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