E-15 here it comes.

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Just a little news article tucked in between all the big headlines that many will miss. However, this little blurb will affect everyone. Much confusion ahead. If you are undecided on a career go to small engine school. Many will be toasted by this crap. We can plan on non-oxy 92 being $4.00 a gallon if we can even find it.
 
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slimcake

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I didn't think it was going to be mandated for quite sometime. Even when it is it cannot be run in small engines or vehicles older than 01 or something. The fuel stations are against it. I think most people are. Just remember that the election is coming up. How about voting for somebody who is not blinded by "green" jobs...... It is a joke because ethanol takes more energy to make than gas but I am just a simple minded midwestern folk. What do I know????????
 
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whitedust

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Free market just don't use the stuff. I can't in my trucks sleds or boat anyway so will have little market affect unless you have a Flex car or truck. I don't think many stations will stock gas they can not sell. Just make sure you dont lift the wrong handle on the pump on a non Flex engine or will have big repair problems.
 
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briano

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Not that I am in favor of the ethanol but does it make that much of a difference, on a carbed sled you can just jet up a little and an efi sled will compensate for it. My 96 s10 with a 2.2 four banger I ran e85 in it and could not tell the difference, we had a customer bring their car to the shop where I work and they had filled up with e85 and wanted it pumped out. We drained the tank into a 30 gallon tank and I would fill my truck up with it once and a wile and never made a difference
 
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acatzl550

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briano said:
Not that I am in favor of the ethanol but does it make that much of a difference, on a carbed sled you can just jet up a little and an efi sled will compensate for it. My 96 s10 with a 2.2 four banger I ran e85 in it and could not tell the difference, we had a customer bring their car to the shop where I work and they had filled up with e85 and wanted it pumped out. We drained the tank into a 30 gallon tank and I would fill my truck up with it once and a wile and never made a difference
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you might not see any difference now but its long term engine damage
 
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harvest1121

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The alcohol should eat the gaskets. The e85 will not run in most old cars. There are some s-10 that were set up to run on it and owners do not even know it. When is the last time some one with a Ford said there truck ran on corn... So think about that was it GM or Government Motors or no difference?
 
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anonomoose

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The sky ain't fall'n just yet.

Actually GM did a lot of analysis on "corn-fuel" and found that most cars and trucks can run up to about 40% ethanol in NON-flex fuel machines before performance started dropping off. Ford studies show the same thing.

I run 10% in everything I own, (because it's the law in Michigan to sell anything with any less) and have yet to have any issues. I also run it in my 1973 sleds and it works fine. Weed wackers, generators, lawn mowers, a 1949 ford 8N tractor...everything. NO issues.

While there might be some washing machine motors out there that have non-solvent based gaskets and o-rings, not too many machines will fail because of the corn fuel.

Octane goes up with the use of it, but the performance drops off...which equates to gas mileage losses for most.

There is a huge resistance against corn fuel use by the petroleum companies and lots of disinformation being pumped around about this stuff. So be sure you take what you hear about this....from taking away food from babies mouths, to engine failure, to costing more to produce than it is sold for....btw...most farmers in the grain belts belong to cooperatives that use this stuff nearly exclusively and those big John Deer pieces run on it just fine.

One more thing...everytime you drop some fuel line cleaner or octane booster in your tank...guess what the main ingredient of that stuff is?

Standard Oil Company put de-icer in their gas way back in the 1950's and it didn't kill very many motors, did it?
 
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mjkaliszak

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Here goes .... Sure to offend someone, inspite of trying to be objective . I thought the primary disadvantages of the E10 & E15 in addition to the power & fuel inefficiency was primarily the phase separation effects and the wear & tear on the motor components primarily the fuel delivery ( carbs , pump ). I would like to hear suggestions on what caused this ( pic below). These are 2008 components with 7800 miles on them. Could be junk rubber ( 2nd,3rd,4th, 5th, generation material ) molded out of " melt temp / process parameters. But I was wondering if the ethanol had an effect . It appears that the carb boot is pulling away from the metal flange. I also had a set of floats needles & seats fail on the same machine. Rubber tipped jets. There was no leak in the floats, I tested them. The jet tip & seat look good even under magnification. Could the ethanol have swelled the rubber ? I was told ( so this is hear say ) that the Flex fuel vehicles had more stainless steel components . I have also seen carb screws that had for lack of better words ( wash out ) on the tips. They lost their sharpness and under magnification appear to have been worn away. These kinds of things are my concerns with E10 or E15. I don't remember seeing this stuff in my older machines from the early to mid 90's. Maybe I wasn't looking .
Are the sled manufacturers addressing the ethyl alcohol effects in their new products with alcohol resistant materials ? Probably not, it's primarily about $$$. Just my .02.
 
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mikedrh

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I'm not sure I would get to worried about the blend stuff.

I, along with almost everyone else in the Twin Cities Metro area, have been runnig a 10% ethonal blend for several years now without any noticable problems.

I run it in my 52 dodge truck, Merc outboard, lawn tractor, chainsaws, snowmobiles ranging from early seventies to current, Atv's, dirtbikes and starting campfires. So far it's all good.
 
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michaeladams

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just my 2 cents but what happens to your skin when you get alcohol on it?it gets dried out.what happens when you drink too much alcohol?you get sick and sometimes die.moral to the story?alcohol in moderation. if i have a choice i will always choose straight gas.
 
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toddspolaris

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A friend of mine works in an ethanol plant here in ohio and says they have been testing 15% ethanol blend and the studies find its plugging up catalitic converters pretty quickly on the non flex vehicles. Now what?
 
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mikedrh

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xcr440 said:
Sweet! Good to see you're still around Mike, how's the leg? Any better?

(Forgot my motor!)
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Still limping along but I still own it. Looks like I get to keep it for the short term anyway.

I managed to put on about 3,000 miles last year (with a crutch bunge corded to the running board). Got alot of looks but it was such a good winter I hated to waste it on the couch. My son got some nice pics of me about twenty feet in the air off a big jump so I sent copies of the pics to the doc, he called me the poster boy of how not to take care of his fine work.

Hope your doing good, good to hear from you, stop by if you get a chance.

Mike
 
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xcr440

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That is classic! It sure was great riding around there last year wasn't it? I wish I had been there more. My 13 year old son and I got to put his first 500 miles on, right out of the old mans house there in Lakeville. We did ride over your way a couple times. "Dad, snowmobiling is waaaay better than baseball or football!" That's my favorite quote from last year......

I'll keep you in mind for when the snow flies again this winter, maybe my son and I will ride over to check out the poster boy and his crutch! I hope the crutch is on the sled while you're jumping!

Send me an email if you still got it......
 
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ezra

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but at least the heavily subsidized corn farmers are happy.not that they will run that crap in there equipment.
 
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