Ive seen you dog doo many times. Etecs and 800's in general all they do is blow up, the cranks are gonna go bad, go BOOM to be excact. They wont make it past this many miles....yada yada yada...yamaha engines are gods gift to snowmobiling yada yada. Just like on this thread 3 people in a row reccomend a doo with r-motion, and you immediatly post well if you want the best powder sled its polaris. Then i post something about it not being the best 2014 powder sled according to experts, and then you say well he doesnt want a mountain sled haha he wants a crossover, so i post what most of the snowmobing world considers an amazing crossover and you say, all i reccommend is doo. We know you hate ski-doo's and 2 strokes in general but alot of people still like them, its what the sport was born on. I never stated doo was the BEST like you claim or anyone is wrong lol for owning other brands, i stated these experts called it the best of 2014. big difference. If someone asked me point blank I would say yes just out of my loyalty, but truly unless i rode every brands 2014 then how do I know. Thats why I relied on the people from snow-west and american snowmobiler and other mags that have doo at the upper end if not top in every category. Its not narrowmindess its loyalty. I respect your loyalty towards yamaha and others towards polaris and cat. It would not be fun if there werent people like that, IMO. I rode doo thru the 90's and at some points it was pretty clear other sleds were better, but loyalty kept me there. Not trying to start any hissy fits lol. Ride on.