global what?

[lenny]

Now the UN is saying what:

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/30/un-climate-change-models-warming/

who would have ever thunked it,

Since 1998, there has been no significant increase in global average surface temperature, and some areas -- notably the Northern Hemisphere -- have actually cooled. The 2,200-page new Technical Report

attributes that to a combination of several factors, including natural variability, reduced heating from the sun and the ocean acting like a “heat sink” to suck up extra warmth in the atmosphere.

 

[booondocker]

Lenny

The problem is that this science reporting is flawed. The last paragraph of the article sums it up nicely:

"[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Judith Curry believes the approach the IPCC takes to climate change is fundamentally flawed. Consensus-seeking, she says, introduces bias into the science."[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Scientists are a curious sort and they like to hypothesize and gather support for their ideas. Makes them feel better.
True science is steeped in processes called cause and effect. While we struggle with the cause part, we don't need fancy equipment to see, hear and smell effect. Ice melt and the speed of it melting is effectively showing us that there is change upon us. We can argue about what caused it until the cows come home. The point is there is rapid change, we can see it taste it and smell it. How it is measured, where it is measured and what caused it is not exactly perfected yet. Science often makes wrong conclusions...You draw your own. [/FONT]

 

[ezra]

and what I see is this Fact.
A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores

 

[Bradzoo]

View attachment 41829 and what I see is this Fact.
A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores

Bradzooooooooooo

 

[xsledder]

...True science is steeped in processes called cause and effect. While we struggle with the cause part, we don't need fancy equipment to see, hear and smell effect. Ice melt and the speed of it melting is effectively showing us that there is change upon us...

What are you talking about?

 

[Hoosier]

95% of scientists getting paid to study whether man-made global warming exists agree that it exists, even if it hasn't for the past 15 years, such that they need more money to continue studying it.

Al Gore is now richer than Mitt Romney, making his money flying all over the country in a private jet preaching about global warming and how we need to limit our carbon-making activities, such as flying all over the country in a private jet.

Foxnews, etc. state it is all BS, but they have their own agenda. Some would argue the sky is green if they thought it would hurt the other political party.

An ordinary person like me has no idea but just an opinion. Our sample size (our own observations) is extremely small and heavily biased. We remember winters being better, but then we see the record amount of people killed by the cold in Europe.

My opinion (worthless as it may be) is that:

1. there is no proof that global warming/climate change is happening outside of "normal" historical variability
2. there is even less proof that humans can or do have any impact on global temperatures,
3. there is even less proof than that that we can do anything to reverse it if it is happening,
4. even if we could do something about (assuming it exists), there are better things to spend money on (global hunger?)
5. if it does exist, the upside in terms of longer growing seasons, etc. may outweigh any downsides.
6. What's the correct temperature anyway? We don't have much for records before the 1970's.

Follow the money and see what the agenda is. The UN wants nothing more than a global tax to start the process towards global governance. A global carbon tax is a good start for them.

 

[whitedust]

I saw on NBC news today said they are now after 2s leaf blowers as dirty polluting tech. I just laughed now the leaf blowers are on the hit list! lol

 

[lenny]

pretty much any idea, belief, opinion is bias in a sense. So, IMO, I believe it is obvious (through recorded weather history) that we are experiencing a cycle that we have experienced times before. IMO, the greenies are the worst in bias and will do anything to "protect" the planet regardless the effect is has on economics, personal freedoms. We as society suffer a worse impact by over regulation compared to the speculation "global warming" is doing!

 

[lenny]

so I just did a google search titled "combating global warming" and this is what pops up at the top of the list:

http://climatecycle.org/cause/?gclid=CJfRu9iNhboCFRDl7AodpTcAgA

Right off the bat I tend to think whoever wrote up this disaster is a complete clown, sorry to be crude but really. Here is a quote,,and I believe it is more common place thinking for the proponents of global warming,,,, or now as some are calling it "climate change."

Global Warming: Global warming caused by CO2 emissions is one of the most urgent issues facing humanity and our planet.

WOW, we better step it up and try harder to stop this or humanity and our planet will be destroyed,,,IT'S URGENT PEOPLE,,,URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Has it been an established fact that man is responsible for global warming, can we conclusively determine man is responsible for what we are observing. Am I suggesting we ignore or eliminate mans impact on the environment, no!

To what degree do we impose, regulate, require,etc,,,, actions on something undetermined. Are we seeing a practical balance through the environmentalists actions when dealing with this issue. IMO, it seems lopsided that we suffer as a people with regulation before the determination is conclusive.

 

[anonomoose]

What are you talking about?

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/revision_v2.html

 

[xsledder]

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/revision_v2.html

And, what are you talking about?

 

[sixball]

My own perception. I started in a part of a major industry effected and addressed air pollution. It was in 1972. I moved back to Michigan for the job. So this is my take.

1) When I came back lake Erie was being called dead Lake St Clair dying. Fishing was not suggested in those lakes.
Today all are in very good shape. Swimming boating and fishing are world class.

2) The air had odors. Smog was normal. The News was talking about Acid rain. The plants will die. Farming will not feed the world.
Today the air is quite clean. Have you heard about acid rain? Our grass is still green plants still growing and farming is doing very well if we don’t talk about small farmers being forced out.
3) Cars and truck drank fuel and A big block Hi performance vehicle had 380 – 425 HP
Today cars and trucks get 2x or more fuel economy. ( Same with some of our sleds!!!!!! LOL) Crap a V-6 Mustang is getting 305 HP and a V-8 GT 450 HP.

4) Go back another 10 years the News was talking about the world going into a Ice age.
No it did not happen.

We have made changes and our country has made unbelievable progress. I am not opposed to going beyond what we have done. We should never destroy our country for A group of people who are manipulating data to promote something that is not proven and can be shown as much to be false as many deem true. Like todays News much of what is or is not being published is manipulated .
We have been told we will run out of oil. We have now found more oil under our own soil then all of the Middle East. If we could go after it. Look at natural Gas!
I have been very fortunate to live in many of our grate States and much of Europe and lived in the beautiful country of Canada. Some of the areas where I lived that once were pristine stated looking very poor but are coming back today so I think what we have done and are doing is quit good. Without much of the Third World making big change we do not need to look at our self as being the the saviors of the world! We can’t!

 

[ezra]

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[lenny]

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it's probably growing because of global warming. You see, the warming has thrown the world climate into hiatus and as a result we are seeing unusual and drastic patterns all caused by man. The damage we have caused creates all this unpredictable, huge swings in climate globally,,,better get a 4 stroke!

 

[lenny]

My own perception. I started in a part of a major industry effected and addressed air pollution. It was in 1972. I moved back to Michigan for the job. So this is my take.

1) When I came back lake Erie was being called dead Lake St Clair dying. Fishing was not suggested in those lakes.
Today all are in very good shape. Swimming boating and fishing are world class.

2) The air had odors. Smog was normal. The News was talking about Acid rain. The plants will die. Farming will not feed the world.
Today the air is quite clean. Have you heard about acid rain? Our grass is still green plants still growing and farming is doing very well if we don’t talk about small farmers being forced out.
3) Cars and truck drank fuel and A big block Hi performance vehicle had 380 – 425 HP
Today cars and trucks get 2x or more fuel economy. ( Same with some of our sleds!!!!!! LOL) Crap a V-6 Mustang is getting 305 HP and a V-8 GT 450 HP.

4) Go back another 10 years the News was talking about the world going into a Ice age.
No it did not happen.

We have made changes and our country has made unbelievable progress. I am not opposed to going beyond what we have done. We should never destroy our country for A group of people who are manipulating data to promote something that is not proven and can be shown as much to be false as many deem true. Like todays News much of what is or is not being published is manipulated .
We have been told we will run out of oil. We have now found more oil under our own soil then all of the Middle East. If we could go after it. Look at natural Gas!
I have been very fortunate to live in many of our grate States and much of Europe and lived in the beautiful country of Canada. Some of the areas where I lived that once were pristine stated looking very poor but are coming back today so I think what we have done and are doing is quit good. Without much of the Third World making big change we do not need to look at our self as being the the saviors of the world! We can’t!

gotta say I agree with you, we had been reckless and doing harm. Being responsible and looking out for others, keeping things clean should be the norm. So yes, some form of environmentalism is needed and necessary but IMO we have taken it way to far and now we suffer. You have given examples of good, practical steps of responsibility, most people on the planet would agree that being responsible is good.

 

[renegade]

The reality is carbon dioxide would change the climate of this planet. The reality is also that man contributes very little towards the total amounts of CO2 that are emitted each year. Al Gore (and other notable politicians) will become so wealthy if he ever gets cap and trade to go through he will be sending a sympathy card to Bill Gates telling him to keep his head up, his ship will come in someday too! The climate has changed so much since the beginning of time. I find it laughable when humans think because the winters appear to be snowier for the 10 years they spent as a child growing up in the outdoors then they appear today, as an adult, that the earth must be warming. To many people think the way the earth is now, is the way it has always been. And going by this method of global warming tracking, I would honestly say that being 39, the 2nd 20 years of my life have been snowier then the first 20. Its a good thing we don't live to be 10,000 years old. I can just hear the stories a grandparent would say about how much snowier the Ice Age was!