I don’t think the app itself is necessarily bad. Gives a descent idea of what trails have been groomed recently and which haven’t, especially in bigger sledding areas of Wisconsin, like Minocqua, Eagle River, Hayward, etc... where there can be 5 different ways (and I am looking at the trail map between Minocqua to Sayner/Boulder/Manitowish right now) to get from one place to another. I am not referring to places that Grub was referring with one trail between 2 spots.
I see it like this. During the week when traffic tends to be less a group can look up which trails have been groomed in the AM and allowed to setup overnight. Obviously not all trails are groomed every night so it allows riders to maximize their riding. On weekends and holidays it would benefit those who get up early and hit those trails. This will offer less benefit for late afternoon and early evening riders but hey, your riding on the weekend and holidays what do you expect. Early night riders might actually do more damage by not allowing the trail to setup, as this can take anywhere from 2-6 hours. There’s a big difference between a groomed trail and a setup trail.
If anything grooming will increase if clubs know the are being tracked. That could be a big positive.
no mark..its not following the groomers..its knowing which trails were groomed the night before..if ebody knows which are and arent, then they piss pound them in the morning..
let me xplain..
i generally know exactly what time 3 is groomed.. i also know 12 is every 3 days..i also know the approx time sidnaw is done..but its just guesswork and my experience..
if its not..then ebody knows and its a show..
it just a terrible idea..nobody should know where they are and when they go unless they figure it out themselves
bad bad idea
I am up there even less than P.D. but we both have the same question; when the poop does trail 109 south (south of Krupps) off of trail 3 occur?
WORST TRAIL I EVER RODE LAST WINTER and maybe ever! I felt sorry for the sled.
Yes, this was after the groomer was unstuck and/or repaired and moved off the trail.
Bear
If only we all could spend 2-3 months UP there every winter we could maybe figure out the grooming patterns also! LOL
Do you continue to abbreviate words you shouldn't on this site on purpose? I would think you would have figured it out by now.
I am up there even less than P.D. but we both have the same question; when the poop does trail 109 south (south of Krupps) off of trail 3 occur?
WORST TRAIL I EVER RODE LAST WINTER and maybe ever! I felt sorry for the sled.
Yes, this was after the groomer was unstuck and/or repaired and moved off the trail.
Bear
I agree renegade, in fact that was part of my presentation to the club.
i dont understand his point..why would grooming increase if they have a groomer tracker..i would have thought grooming is maxed out and running as much as can be afforded
Regarding trail 109. Wouldn't it be nice to know if you were at the bar in Sidnaw, and wanted to get back up to Twin Lakes, that 109 was groomed up to trail 3 recently? If it hadn't been touched for 3 days, we all know what a nightmare that can be on that trail, so you decide to take trail 12 and hit Rousseau Bar and into Mass and back up to Twin Lakes. That is just one example of how I think this will benefit planning rides.
That's a trick question for PD...everyone knows he'd be at the Rousseau bar anyways and he loves trail 12!
now dat der is funny...
but thats a good point mark.. i had no idea groomers didnt run shifts..i assume thats wisco..but does that happen in western MI?
I can't speak for the Western UP, but I do think some of their groomers get paid (Gogebic always used to) and with the amount of snow and traffic UP there, I'm sure they try to keep a pretty good schedule. I try to keep a consistent schedule down here too, but it can be like herding cats. You still have the issue of groomers not feeling like going out, groomers being down for repairs etc. For instance, how many trails do you think get groomed the night of the Super Bowl? That is just an example, but those type of things do affect getting out. We have to remember, the better experience riders have, the better chance they will be back, especially first time riders or first time to the area. We need to do everything we can to grow the sport. A bad experience by taking the wrong trails typically means they won't be back.
so its economics too..which i get..so then do the bars by u kick in? no idea about the yoop..but ud think so
$10 per year per area covered by a participating club.
When I first heard about this new way to track groomers, I was a bit hesitant and wasn't sure what to think about it. As grooming director of our club, I was looking for a way to inform riders when our trails were groomed by posting a "schedule" on our website. The problem with that is there are so many variables for when groomers can go out; weather and snow conditions, volunteer groomers personal schedules etc. All I could think about is getting complaints like "your website said trail 8 would be groomed Friday night and it wasn't" and so on. So I decided to dig into this and I presented it at our last club meeting and not a single person voted against it. If fact, most said why wouldn't we do it? There is no cost to the club and we can actually earn a bit of money, which really is not what motivated me as I don't see it as a big money maker for our area compared to say the Western UP. The cost to the snowmobiler is $10 per year per area covered by a participating club. Half of that $10 goes to Groomer Tracker for their expenses for the hardware etc., and half goes back to the club. I wanted to talk to a club that has experience with this so they gave me Mike Olsen's phone # from North Country Snowmobile Club out of Ontonagon. He is very satisfied and it has even been a good money maker for them due to the volume of riders that purchased it UP there. He can track where his groomers are, and if they break down or have an issue, he can see exactly where they are and what road is best to get there to assist. Most of the Western UP clubs are part of the program, including Gogebic, Superior, North Country and Keweenaw. SOme high quality payday loans you could find here https://directloantransfer.com/
I encourage you to go their website, www.groomertracker.com, and watch the short video, "Watch How It Works". It will show you where groomers are and the trails are color coded to show when the groomer last groomed that trail. You can touch a particular trail and it will tell you when it was last groomed, right down to how many hours and minutes ago. The app also shows sponsors, where they are located, their phone #, website and Facebook pages. I hope you will take the time to check out their website and support this great idea and all of the sponsors.
mark..no way to say this sensitively..but this app is bad for trail systems..leave the money out..
now every idiot can go beat a fresh trail and within 1 hour its done..i hate it..i heard about and was flaming pissed last year..its a groomers nitemare(the groomer to groomer thing is different)..aholes will be following em and destroying their good work..
we know grooming patterns by spending the money to be there..riding the different times day and night..and know when they go...now every ahole will just show UP and kill it..
I HATE IT
No, grooming is not maxed out. We are all volunteers down here and there are just some nights when you just don't feel like going out and you end up staying home. It's easy to come up with an excuse not to go out. No club is going to let a good groomer go if they miss a few shifts. Luckily, I have 12 groomers right now. If riders are able to see exactly if you are out and when you were last out, you are more likely to suck it up and get out there and groom. People are watching and counting on you. I feel there will be less shifts that are missed as a result, but just my opinion.
Regarding trail 109. Wouldn't it be nice to know if you were at the bar in Sidnaw, and wanted to get back up to Twin Lakes, that 109 was groomed up to trail 3 recently? If it hadn't been touched for 3 days, we all know what a nightmare that can be on that trail, so you decide to take trail 12 and hit Rousseau Bar and into Mass and back up to Twin Lakes. That is just one example of how I think this will benefit planning rides.
mark..no way to say this sensitively..but this app is bad for trail systems..leave the money out..
now every idiot can go beat a fresh trail and within 1 hour its done..i hate it..i heard about and was flaming pissed last year..its a groomers nitemare(the groomer to groomer thing is different)..aholes will be following em and destroying their good work..
we know grooming patterns by spending the money to be there..riding the different times day and night..and know when they go...now every ahole will just show UP and kill it..
I HATE IT