We lost what little snow we had yesterday....and there is ZERO ice on any lakes (it had started forming in the bays this weekend...then...it rained for two days).....I can't remember the last time the U.P. didn't have rideable snow for the opener.....So far this is not a great start to winter for us sledders....and the 10 day doesn't look all that favorable.....even john changed the track of his "wild card" further south, and pushed it back a couple of days...granted I know it's a "wild card" and anything can happen....but right now it would take a miracle to get the lakes froze, and safe by Christmas break...not looking good at all here in northern Wisconsin.