If we just keep the real numbers in mind, and not listen to all the hype, the fear would go away. There are roughly 328.2 million people in the US. About 4.71 million people have confirmed cases if you really believe that number. 3.2 million confirmed cases would be 1% of the US population, so we are just over 1.5% of the population have actually contracted the disease. I like my odds at 98.5%. Take the number out even further, because as we all know getting it isn't the biggest problem, it is dying from it. As of right now we have about 157,000 deaths. There is nothing good about that number, and those people didn't deserve that. However if you divide 157,000 by the 328.2 million people in the US, the number that really matters (deaths) in all of this is extremely low. Less that .5%. The numbers don't lie. The news people do. And don't get me started on N95 dust masks. I have been selling them my whole adult life (I am 50 now) as well as other fresh air systems for breathing, and we are being sold a line of crap. They are not capable, or made for that purpose. We could talk about fit test, facial hair, unfiltered exhalation valve masks, and all sorts of other things for hours when it come to filtration. Elections have consequences my friends, none more than the one coming up.
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You should do something if a reckless driver drives by going that fast, but not for someone shopping for groceries while breathing.
It was an example of how some people think. I'm not a writer so I'm sure I could have made it more clear. And yes, there are certain political parties that want to make some cars illegal to manufacture which would make it hard to purchase one. I would prefer the free market make the decisions. It is all about control and power. We are closer to North Korea than you think.
Very well put! especially the last sentence, so true and the closer we get the scarier it is becoming
You're missing the point. The point was made about be minding my business when I'm not in danger.
No mask, danger of spreading whatever you have. Mask on properly, risk of spreading something is very low.
As for the people that say this is a free country and the mask is restricting their freedom: We already live with many restrictions for the protection of society. ie: driving on right side of road, stopping at stop signs.
Those all deny freedom, but we do that because it provides for the safety of other people. Remember, coming back to caring for other people is what this is about! That simple. Countries that have used masks, and even mandated them, have had their cases dwindle.
dfattack
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But...this assumes masks are worn properly to be effective. I don't think anyone here would suggest masks are being worn effectively. So I ask, what's the point?
Yes, I would assume some are not, but I would say most are. It's not 100%, but it's the best we have right now.
snobuilder
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Sweden let er rip and now has herd immunity. They were fortunate to not have a Trump kill media corrupting their collective society. That says a lot,... Sweden shows the perfect scenario of usual normalcy in the face of a seasonal cold, which is all this is.....you get it, you move on.
pclark
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August 3, 2020-Oconomowoc, WI area
Day 3 of new mandatory mask rule in Wisconsin.
8:30am- Took dog to vet to have stitches out. You call them from the parking lot and they come get your dog and bring it back when done. I did not wear a mask to interact with the vet who brought her back out and no one cared, they were very nice.
11:00 am- St. Vincent Depaul, dropped off last tube TV! kids were wearing masks but never said anything about me not wearing a mask.They were very friendly.
11:30am- Dropped off car at shop to have some exhaust work done on it. Did not wear mask, no one at the shop had a mask on and no one seemed to care about masks.
12:00noon- Ate lunch at restaurant in downtown Oconomowoc, Did not wear mask in, sat down had lunch, waitress had mask on but it did not cover her nose. Lady behind counter had no mask on. Not many people there but only 50% wearing masks.
1:00pm- Goodwill, My wife loves to stop and buy other peoples treasures, mask were required so I waited in the car.
1:30pm - Aldi, I went in for a couple of things and wore my mask out of respect for their sign and other customers, everyone else had masks on as well.
2:00pm - Mills Fleet Farm, I went in for some caulk and wore my mask because it was noted on the door. It appeared that everyone else had masks on as well.
In many counties in our area the law enforcement has said that they will not be the ones to enforce the mandate, have heard that some are upset, are these the same ones that want to defund the police?????
Sadly, can't wait for 2020 to be overwith............what a strange year it has been!
Day 3 of new mandatory mask rule in Wisconsin.
8:30am- Took dog to vet to have stitches out. You call them from the parking lot and they come get your dog and bring it back when done. I did not wear a mask to interact with the vet who brought her back out and no one cared, they were very nice.
11:00 am- St. Vincent Depaul, dropped off last tube TV! kids were wearing masks but never said anything about me not wearing a mask.They were very friendly.
11:30am- Dropped off car at shop to have some exhaust work done on it. Did not wear mask, no one at the shop had a mask on and no one seemed to care about masks.
12:00noon- Ate lunch at restaurant in downtown Oconomowoc, Did not wear mask in, sat down had lunch, waitress had mask on but it did not cover her nose. Lady behind counter had no mask on. Not many people there but only 50% wearing masks.
1:00pm- Goodwill, My wife loves to stop and buy other peoples treasures, mask were required so I waited in the car.
1:30pm - Aldi, I went in for a couple of things and wore my mask out of respect for their sign and other customers, everyone else had masks on as well.
2:00pm - Mills Fleet Farm, I went in for some caulk and wore my mask because it was noted on the door. It appeared that everyone else had masks on as well.
In many counties in our area the law enforcement has said that they will not be the ones to enforce the mandate, have heard that some are upset, are these the same ones that want to defund the police?????
Sadly, can't wait for 2020 to be overwith............what a strange year it has been!
snobuilder
Well-known member
OK, PCLARK....LOL
GUS'S DRIVE-IN, East Troy, WI, Sat 5 pm....cruise night. 30 or so hot rods, 60 - 80 ppl.....I actually forgot about Governor mask mandate.....1 kid had a mask on while his girlfriend didn't....a few of the hired help wore one as well. that was it.
GUS'S DRIVE-IN, East Troy, WI, Sat 5 pm....cruise night. 30 or so hot rods, 60 - 80 ppl.....I actually forgot about Governor mask mandate.....1 kid had a mask on while his girlfriend didn't....a few of the hired help wore one as well. that was it.
xsledder
Active member
Wait a minute! I have to chime in here. Driving is a privilege. People don't have to drive. Breathing on the other hand is a required to live. You have to breathe, no ifs ands or buts about it. So we are comparing restrictions on something that is a privilege to some that is necessary to exist. I think there could be a distinction. Going by your logic that we should watch out for our fellow man, the road goes both ways. What about people with asthma, COPD, chronic bronchitis, and other breathing abnormalities, shouldn't we make accommodations for them? Can the worry warts see the other side of the issue to masks?
It was just an example. Should I come up with more "freedoms" that have restrictions that are not "privileges"?
Yes driving is a privilege in a way. However, how do the people not drive get necessities?; ie: food, medicine. etc? Someone has to drive to get them that.
We do care for them. We outlawed smoking in businesses.
Lot of friends of mine and myself included, that wear a mask, are not worried in any sense. Just trying to do our part.
Midwest Player
Member
Its about time WI got on board with the mask requirement. MI has had a mask requirement for some time now and its covid positivity rate is only 2.30% compared to WI's 6.53% positivity rate.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity
Also the U.P. counties along the WI border have much higher covid than the rest of the U.P. Gogebic County is exploding. Maybe its due to the WI no mask rule for so long.
https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2020/08/04/western-up-health-department-high-risk-exposure-sites-lead-to-increasing-positive-covid-19-cases-in-gogebic-county/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity
Also the U.P. counties along the WI border have much higher covid than the rest of the U.P. Gogebic County is exploding. Maybe its due to the WI no mask rule for so long.
https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2020/08/04/western-up-health-department-high-risk-exposure-sites-lead-to-increasing-positive-covid-19-cases-in-gogebic-county/
Amount if positive tests drastically, miraculously dropped in last 2 days in Wisconsin since mask mandate....However the amount of people being tested has dropped even further than the drop percentage of positive cases, they announced the number of tests the day before but neglected that fact on news this morning, but hey...numbers are going down!! must be working already!!!. Lets open things up!! Lets get people back to work!!! cant you see folks... it works! we should never take them off!!! just think of the disease, virus and illness free world we could live in, if only everyone would wear a mask! YEAH RIGHT! 
That could be in the SMILES! Funny!!
And you can see in the attached graph, using the data from State of MI website, when the Gov issues mask mandates and how that affected positive infections (hint, no correlation between wearing masks and rate of positive infections).
I'm not wearing a mask anywhere. Still going in to places I need to go in and not getting any grief. The same people telling me a couple pieces of Chinese paper over my face will keep me and others safe, and that I don't care about others are the same people who bought up all the TP, and cleared out the grocery stores. Thanks a lot a holes. Mind your own business
WorkHardPlayHrd
Active member
I was in Iowa and Nebraska the last two days looking at combines. No mask laws. Came back went to walk into Kwik Trip and had to turn around and get the mask. I want to go back.