land issue in northern MN
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Spamhater007
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Make Molpus bend over or sell out.
Molpus DOES NOT PAY FULL TAXES or FAIR TAXES. You cannot compare Molpus and other very large land owners in MN to other private land owners.
Let me provide a little history:
Large land owners such a Boise Cascade has been allowed very low tax assessments already for the purpose of forestry and open public access for all sporting. This has gone on for over 70+ years. These low tax assessments were and are at rates half or greater than much smaller MN land owners who have blocks such as 10,000 acres. SIFA was created to keep these smaller chunks of land in the forestry system by providing tax relief, the only problem was, it provided unfair additional tax relief to the larger property owners who are already getting extreme low tax assessments values, thus the CAP was applied.
Boise Cascade whom was in the midst of financial woes, sold their property to a investment equity firm, whom than sold to Molpus. Molpus being new to MN and apparently absolutely blind to the fact they already pay extreme low tax rates, is complaining about taxes. Now you have to ask yourself, well why aren't the other Large property owners complaining too?? Simple reason, when you know you are already at a low unfair tax rate compared to other land owners, then it is wise not to upset the apple cart.
Those people who state they are private property owners like anyone else are mistakenly wrong - Molpus and Other very large MN property have built-in extreme low tax rate assessments that have gone on more than the 40+ years I can remember. Here is a great summary source of laws for land use: http://www.ncrs.fs.fed.us/gla/reports/history.htm
I say we call our MN representatives and flat-out tell them: If Molpus is going to lock us out,then we should assess fair market tax values on the land at commercial rates, not the low-ball open access forestry rates they currently enjoy. I can assure you Molpus will retreat quite rapidly when they are looking at double, triple, quaddrupple tax rate increases.
This is all public record and law, you have to review the land tax assessment values for each of the counties. If you compare tax assessment values of these large property owners to other smaller property owners you will quickly see the difference. Of course that is public assessment, this does not reflect other breaks they receive when they file tax returns and harvest timber.
My two cents
Molpus DOES NOT PAY FULL TAXES or FAIR TAXES. You cannot compare Molpus and other very large land owners in MN to other private land owners.
Let me provide a little history:
Large land owners such a Boise Cascade has been allowed very low tax assessments already for the purpose of forestry and open public access for all sporting. This has gone on for over 70+ years. These low tax assessments were and are at rates half or greater than much smaller MN land owners who have blocks such as 10,000 acres. SIFA was created to keep these smaller chunks of land in the forestry system by providing tax relief, the only problem was, it provided unfair additional tax relief to the larger property owners who are already getting extreme low tax assessments values, thus the CAP was applied.
Boise Cascade whom was in the midst of financial woes, sold their property to a investment equity firm, whom than sold to Molpus. Molpus being new to MN and apparently absolutely blind to the fact they already pay extreme low tax rates, is complaining about taxes. Now you have to ask yourself, well why aren't the other Large property owners complaining too?? Simple reason, when you know you are already at a low unfair tax rate compared to other land owners, then it is wise not to upset the apple cart.
Those people who state they are private property owners like anyone else are mistakenly wrong - Molpus and Other very large MN property have built-in extreme low tax rate assessments that have gone on more than the 40+ years I can remember. Here is a great summary source of laws for land use: http://www.ncrs.fs.fed.us/gla/reports/history.htm
I say we call our MN representatives and flat-out tell them: If Molpus is going to lock us out,then we should assess fair market tax values on the land at commercial rates, not the low-ball open access forestry rates they currently enjoy. I can assure you Molpus will retreat quite rapidly when they are looking at double, triple, quaddrupple tax rate increases.
This is all public record and law, you have to review the land tax assessment values for each of the counties. If you compare tax assessment values of these large property owners to other smaller property owners you will quickly see the difference. Of course that is public assessment, this does not reflect other breaks they receive when they file tax returns and harvest timber.
My two cents
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stormbringr1
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Yes, and Wisconsin chooses to require next to nothing be paid in property tax by farms while absolutely hammering the **** out of anyone with lakeshore property. You're arguing public policy...I'm arguing landowner rights. Not the same type of apples, my friend...
Mopus is not any small landowner- they are huge with large land holdings in many states. They are an outside company heaquartered in Mississippi. This whole affair reminds me of the history of the Boundary waters in Minnesota back in the 1960's when outside investors from New York tried to stop the recreational used of the BWCA (boundary waters). This isn't exactly a matter of a small landowner trying to protect his property- more like extortion with the snowmobilers and local businesses owners paying the price.
stormbringr1
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You say that like it somehow matters who owns the property and where they are from. This is America. We're Americans. THEY own the property. That means it's THEIRS. Why are so many having such difficulty with this concept?
POLARISDAN
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because nowadays theirs is ours..my tax dollars are "theirs"i.e. welfare,deficit spending, wic,etc
stormbringr1
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Unfortunately--you're probably right... Plenty of our ancestors would roll over in their graves if they saw what has become of what so many thought they died on the battlefield to defend...
bearrassler
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Thanks to them and anyone else who helped get this resolved.