Loud cans
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polarisrider1
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And that logic (WI's, not yours) is why I rail against such BS.......afraid it could hit here.......also the reason why, although I have numerous pals from WI, we NEVER do a home & home......oh, and by the way, MANY of them have less than stock exhausts.......and yes, they are 4 strokes and no louder than mine........well, most of them........
This is the part of the argument I happen to agree with.......enforce the existing laws, don't make new ones........
the money has to come from some place . where do u suggest it gets pulled from for the extra staff? the grooming fund? few 150 buck tickets deff wont fund the benefits package let alone the salary.
change sales law in just 3 states prob 95% solved
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Tracker
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if we going to debate pls don't pass on something that's not even close to the truth shall we
http://www.arcticinsider.com/Article/QA-with-Mike-Larson-Arctic-Cat-Design-Engineer
Our system has to meet EPA and sound level standards without compromising performance. This is done in conjunction with our NVH (noise, vibration and harshness) group and many hours of analysis, prototyping and testing.
have to stick to the performance spec when it comes to the components I draw. It’s a challenge to get a production exhaust system match performance of the hand build prototype.
extensive and I mean extensive testing is done on pipes, including back pressure and sound wave vibrations and so on. An aftermarket pipe is like buying a corvette and putting on some continental tires and entering a race. LMAO. then theres wind tunnel testing on aerodynamics and sound also on top of all that. hate to tell you this buddah2 but I would put money on an OEM pipe any day before any other pipe. they ALL lose power over OEM. the way they can say it gains HP legally is because the weight gains the HP. the actual pipe does nothing except bend you over a pipe when you pay for one. sorry, LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEBS0Tpja9Y#t=82
Oh HORSEFEATHERS!!! So you'd like to claim that independent dynomometer testing is simply wrong and you expect someone to believe it simply because you say so? PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTT !!!!!
And before you make some other spurious claim I spent the last 20 yrs of my working life employed by a major auto manufacturer so I know what goes into developing, testing, and certifying component parts.......
Now, as to that money you're going to lose..............
chords
Active member
"I do not agree with this at all. To me, this just gives the cops another reason to pull you over and check you for DUI. "
It may be one of many reasons to "Pull you over". Read the MI DNR weekly reports for a general overview of tickets issued for no reg , no trail stickers , suspended license , outstanding warrants , arrest's, no title transfers
Only those that pound em down have reason to worry about DUI ?,,,,
It may be one of many reasons to "Pull you over". Read the MI DNR weekly reports for a general overview of tickets issued for no reg , no trail stickers , suspended license , outstanding warrants , arrest's, no title transfers
Only those that pound em down have reason to worry about DUI ?,,,,
lets not leave out making as many parts across line to fit as many models as poss. the back pressure line alone made me chuckle the cat 800 needs more back pressure. just dropping a 10 buck reducer in to top of stock can is worth over 5 across the top 5/8 of the power band .
the new pipes are a lot better than they once were . but they deff leave some power on the table . if keeping the rest stock best to just keep stock pipe . but even light mods deff worth going with a aftermarket that matches what u are trying to achieve.
now can.
that said give me a hr and a aftermarket pipe spings and weights of my choice and I will put a grand on the race any day any conditions
jlrotax583
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Aren't we losing sight of the end goal? Does it really matter what We or the Law says in the long term?
Shouldn't we be concerned about pissing the least (None) amount of Land Owners off as possible?
It seems that the only opinion that matters is the Land Owners that grant us access so,
If Land Owners have problems with XX DB, should we be working to lower it?
Especially in light of the increased sensitivity of Land Owners and the seemingly antiquated DB laws now?
I say this due to the Aftermarked Exhaust and some OEM that "meet" the DB Spec.but are surprisingly loud.
( Back in the 70s-80s when the law was enacted, not a problem since the sport was still growing)
Just as a example, Does a Skidoo ACE600 DB level help us get increased/keep current Access from Private land owners
and a sled closer to the 88DB negatively affect Access?
Where is the tipping point on noise closing Private Access?
Just some thoughts I had to keep this issue moving in the responsible direction.
Thx!
Jon
Shouldn't we be concerned about pissing the least (None) amount of Land Owners off as possible?
It seems that the only opinion that matters is the Land Owners that grant us access so,
If Land Owners have problems with XX DB, should we be working to lower it?
Especially in light of the increased sensitivity of Land Owners and the seemingly antiquated DB laws now?
I say this due to the Aftermarked Exhaust and some OEM that "meet" the DB Spec.but are surprisingly loud.
( Back in the 70s-80s when the law was enacted, not a problem since the sport was still growing)
Just as a example, Does a Skidoo ACE600 DB level help us get increased/keep current Access from Private land owners
and a sled closer to the 88DB negatively affect Access?
Where is the tipping point on noise closing Private Access?
Just some thoughts I had to keep this issue moving in the responsible direction.
Thx!
Jon
groomerdriver
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"only those that pound em".......I will have a beverage or two at our few and far between food/rest stops. Does that mean I pound them? No!
I was TOLD by a local Deputy Sheriff and over the years I have READ in DNR issued statements that if they pull you over for registration, trail pass, etc. and they SUSPECT that alcohol has been consumed, they will check you for it.
Display your registration and trail passes correctly and that's one less (major) reason for them to pull you over.
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Cirrus_Driver
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I was at my place in south central Vilas 2 weeks ago, outside doing a bit of shoveling - very quiet, no wind. Place is 3/4 mile north of trail 70W. There was somebody with a piped sled I could hear heading East toward Eagle River - just totally obnoxiously loud can. I thought of this thread and was just laughing to myself about what people would say.
snobuilder
Well-known member
My earshot is 250' from the trail. It cuts though my property up north. In 15 years I have positively noticed that SLEDS ARE QUIETER today more than ever. You can stand on your head and blabber about loud sleds closing trails all you want to. I could close that trail down today, if I wanted to, WITHOUT any reason.
I can STILL identify the exhaust growl of a STOCK Eltigre triple triple exhaust when it cruises through...todays sleds , even with the aftermarket cans , are less noticeable than the exhaust tone from even 10 years ago.
If a landowner granted access in the past 10,15,20 years and now all of a sudden has a problem with loud cans, I call horeschit!....The landowner has the right to pull access but give me a break,...it is for some other reason or they have become tired of sleds in general. There is absolutely no way to control a landowners opinion.
I can STILL identify the exhaust growl of a STOCK Eltigre triple triple exhaust when it cruises through...todays sleds , even with the aftermarket cans , are less noticeable than the exhaust tone from even 10 years ago.
If a landowner granted access in the past 10,15,20 years and now all of a sudden has a problem with loud cans, I call horeschit!....The landowner has the right to pull access but give me a break,...it is for some other reason or they have become tired of sleds in general. There is absolutely no way to control a landowners opinion.
snobuilder
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LOL...its winter....people other than sledders are hold up til spring so no competing noise from anything else,...I can hear a coyote howl from a mile away on a still night too!
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Tracker
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i got news for you 2. As all serious tuners know its the POWER BAND or THE SWEET SPOT of the engine that matters. I can take any stock pipe and ONLY with weights and some settings on the suspension and far outshine any after market pipe. cause the pipes don't do much in the way of HP. I can do more by lowering the RPMs than any pipe will ever do stock or otherwise. I'd love to run you EZRA, no one has beat me yet, maybe you'd finally be the one.LOL. I can tell if you know what your doing just by you telling me what PRMs you run at WOT on what motor. mine was 7850 to be exact
and yes I independently dyno my sled. With a stock pipe. I took off all that crap you guys call mods and never looked back. nothing has gained more than lowering the RPMs to find the sweet spot, and when you do that then the stock pipes shine. the aftermarkets lowered the HP. true dat
well then as u know the sweet spot can also be found on a aftermarket set up just as ez .but true on a modern sled clutching will go farther than a pipe and a pipe with out the clutching is worthless .my days of running any one are more or less done my last real drag sled was a 03zr9 punched to a 1010 with twins and nos she had to run on c116 had a few f7 to play with but never ran them for points . after the turbos came out I quit playing to much $$ now. still have friends who run in the pro circuits all around the country. so 1 or 2 times a yr I still get to run a 380hp+ sled down the shaved ice . that is plenty for me now .
but if u really want to run my cuz still has my old zr and I would line it up
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Tracker
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so we in agreement now on the cans and my point was to point out to the ones that think cans are better HP to hear a couple of racers say they do nothing. take notes can guys. all they do is produce sound and lower weight and mess up harmonic balancing and back pressure and all kinds of stuff, not to mention CLOSING TRAILS YA DOFUSSES. I vote BAN THE CAN also. EZRA if you ran cruiser fest before you probably already ran me without knowing who it really was. LOL. love shaved ice tracks. you'll love this one EZRA the last turbo sled we jacked with we put in a 22,000 engine and kept boosting it till it exploded, then went one size down, thru in another 22,000 engine and called it good for the runs. LMAO. yes. $$$$
snobuilder
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LMAO. You "tuners" think YOUR loud schit is perfectly OK....LMAO
freezinbevr
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Skylar et all...
Does this mean I have to take off my "Hello Kitty" sticker from my windshield? The girls put it on before this ol' thread got started and surprisingly still there.
Cans can be the most annoying thing on a trip if controlled by folks who obviously don't care about trails or anything sled sport related.
Go Kitty!
Does this mean I have to take off my "Hello Kitty" sticker from my windshield? The girls put it on before this ol' thread got started and surprisingly still there.
Cans can be the most annoying thing on a trip if controlled by folks who obviously don't care about trails or anything sled sport related.
Go Kitty!
POLARISDAN
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and a bloody!!!!