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No problem Durphee. According to two dealers who rode it, and Kevin from Snow Tech the 650 flat out rips and will give 800's a run for it's money. They all told me if you didn't look at the decal you would swear you're riding a 800 with just better efficiency. They all told me the efficiency is going to be excellent. We've been snowchecking quite a few 650's. Hope this helps!

Do you know if it is going to drink as much oil as an 850?

 

[old abe]

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Thanks a bunch Kip! The 650 is going to have to be everything it's supposed to be at that price. Otherwise the 850 resale value is the way to go imo. I'm waiting for some real, true, on snow results, but it sure has my attention with the 87 octane. This is not E-87, correct? You can bet Doo's 650 is just around the corner. However, perhaps not, due to the racing part being what it is?

 

[goofy600]

Thanks a bunch Kip! The 650 is going to have to be everything it's supposed to be at that price. Otherwise the 850 resale value is the way to go imo. I'm waiting for some real, true, on snow results, but it sure has my attention with the 87 octane. This is not E-87, correct? You can bet Doo's 650 is just around the corner. However, perhaps not, due to the racing part being what it is?

Doo just build an all new 600 to fit the gen-4 chassis so not sure they will be going up to 650, just my thought.

 

[old abe]

Doo just build an all new 600 to fit the gen-4 chassis so not sure they will be going up to 650, just my thought.

A new fuel/injection(EFI) system yes, a all new engine, no. The Etec direct fuel injection (DFI), is much more costly, but also much more precise, and efficient. The 600R would easily become a 650R as designed. 600R was a new design to fit G4, all new as to the 600Etec, as was the Doo 850.

 

[Carbide]

I'm just debating which engine and track option I will put on my order sheet.
2021 VR1.

 

[1fujifilm]

A new fuel/injection(EFI) system yes, a all new engine, no. The Etec direct fuel injection (DFI), is much more costly, but also much more precise, and efficient. The 600R would easily become a 650R as designed. 600R was a new design to fit G4, all new as to the 600Etec, as was the Doo 850.

Might as well only make an 850 (get rid of 600 e-tec) to save tooling/parts cost, the 850 is only 14 lbs. more.
The way Doo is organizing rebates-incentives the pricing becomes about a $500 difference.
At resale time the 600's are getting way less than $500..plus the 850 has usable power from off idle to the moon.

Probable wont happen but I will not buy another 600 at the current business model.

Bear

 

[kip]

old abe, sorry I'm late getting back to you. It can run off 87 or E87. It's 40% more efficient between 20 to 50 mph than the 600. It gets 10% better oil efficiency than the 600 as well. Hope this helps. Order up carbide! You aren't going to be disappointed!

 

[old abe]

old abe, sorry I'm late getting back to you. It can run off 87 or E87. It's 40% more efficient between 20 to 50 mph than the 600. It gets 10% better oil efficiency than the 600 as well. Hope this helps. Order up carbide! You aren't going to be disappointed!

Thanks Kip! Those figures would put it right with our 600 SDI Doo's. Usually our fuel cost per mile would be very equal. Prem 91 gave us better mpg's than the lower grade fuel, thus costs pretty equal on the mileage traveled. However, not needing 91 is nice, and very convenient! Puzzling that the 850 isn't this way also?

 

[old abe]

Might as well only make an 850 (get rid of 600 e-tec) to save tooling/parts cost, the 850 is only 14 lbs. more.
The way Doo is organizing rebates-incentives the pricing becomes about a $500 difference.
At resale time the 600's are getting way less than $500..plus the 850 has usable power from off idle to the moon.

Probable wont happen but I will not buy another 600 at the current business model.

Bear

This maybe is why fuji, Doo's 600 Etec is said to be the sales leader in all snowmobile engines?

 

[kip]

Good question. Maybe that technology will be available or maybe they needed to keep the 850 on 91 for performance reasons. Don't think people feel the same way about efficiency when it comes to bigger HP engines?

 

[old abe]

Good question. Maybe that technology will be available or maybe they needed to keep the 850 on 91 for performance reasons. Don't think people feel the same way about efficiency when it comes to bigger HP engines?

Agree Kip! Most buy the 850 for its very strong performance would be my guess? I'm thinking the new 650 tuning is a all together different set up. Such as porting, injection/ignition mapping etc? That's why there are many who will feel the 650 is in their "wants" range.

 

[Hoosier]

old abe, sorry I'm late getting back to you. It can run off 87 or E87. It's 40% more efficient between 20 to 50 mph than the 600. It gets 10% better oil efficiency than the 600 as well. Hope this helps. Order up carbide! You aren't going to be disappointed!

For a guy like me who will keep a sled for awhile, this is a big deal. We try to plan routes to avoid grades, so this would be enough engine.

If you're trading up every year and paying more in sales tax than depreciation, then I doubt the 650 makes any sense. The cost to own one for a year will be no different between the two.

In my view it's still priced too close to the 850 but I'm not in the market anyway.

 

[kip]

I can't say I disagree with you Hoosier. It's all about what makes you happy. We all make a lot of purchases that probably don't make a lot of sense or are logical, but sometimes those purchases bring the most pleasure to you. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. No right or wrong I don't think. For sure Abe, timing/porting are totally different. We're snowchecking quite a few of them so many people are excited about the 650 platform and what it has to offer.

 

[G]

In all reality there are very few reasons to buy anything bigger than the 650. Only a small fraction of the people that buy them ride them to their limits. If a capable guy on a 600 or now a 650 gets ahead of a guy on an 850 in the woods the 850 is not going to get by him. They are simply not that much stronger. The only place an 850 will shine is on the grades or a lake. Even then if he lets off for 3 seconds the 6 will be right there if the guy on the 6 is holding it. Plus the added benefit of fuel economy and cheap fuel and promised oil comsumption there is not much to talk about. I will be calling you, Kip.

 

[kip]

Good take on it Grub. I'll be waiting!

 

[katden4]

Insurance will also be less with the 650.

 

[harvest1121]

There might be a 650 in the future. I do not like buying a first year sled but riding more in Wisconsin that might be what I am looking next year to snow check.

 

[Hoosier]

I can't say I disagree with you Hoosier. It's all about what makes you happy. We all make a lot of purchases that probably don't make a lot of sense or are logical, but sometimes those purchases bring the most pleasure to you. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. No right or wrong I don't think. For sure Abe, timing/porting are totally different. We're snowchecking quite a few of them so many people are excited about the 650 platform and what it has to offer.

I think this might be my next sled. Probably will be 2 or 3 years though. If it's as advertised it's the right combo of power and efficiency.

Of course by then Polaris will have another all-new sled with reviews stating how much better it is than the one before it

 

[G]

Insurance will also be less with the 650.

Insurance has to do with sled value. It has nothing to do with engine displacement.

 

[Carbide]

Insurance has to do with sled value. It has nothing to do with engine displacement.

Disagree. I had quotes on a Sidewinder 998cc vs a SR Viper 1049cc

The Sidewinder sled value is higher and has way more power but it was cheaper to insure.