With emissions getting harder and harder to meet, I think we are going to see less engine options than we have now. It just costs too much to certify them for such a small market. Skidoo has the ability to spread their development cost with their outboard business, that is what put them in the lead, well actually purchasing Evinrude/Johnson got them e-tec in the first place. I am suprised Polaris even messes with sleds as it is such a small % of their business. I think high revving turbo sleds will be where things go from here. I am thinking electronically controlled clutched will be the next leap.
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You can't be everything to everyone, heck look at Yamaha, they have eliminated themselves from over 50% of the market by not offering a 2s!
Anybody know what each brands market share is?
As near as I can figure they sell about 50000 in the US. If Skidoo has 40% and the other three 20% each thats like 20000 for Doo and 10000 for Yamaha Polaris and Arctic Cat. So I guess double those numbers since the US is only about half the worldwide market and your still not talking big numbers.
As near as I can figure they sell about 50000 in the US. If Skidoo has 40% and the other three 20% each thats like 20000 for Doo and 10000 for Yamaha Polaris and Arctic Cat. So I guess double those numbers since the US is only about half the worldwide market and your still not talking big numbers.
How many psi. of boost do you think you would need to double the HP of that motor? Gotta have power to make power!
I'm excited for the 2012 season preview!!
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Tongue in cheek Chad I know ACE won't be able to do that just picking up on the post adding turbo to ACE. Actually seems dumb to me too low power small engine just that. AC Yam & Doo could have some good new 4s BUT we will see what REALLY happens?
Not so more & more people now converting to 4s. Even Indy is coming to the 4s side. If you have too many problems with 2s 4s starts looking soooooooo much better to you. 4s more weight & always will be more weight as you know with your FST. I'm very pleased with with my Yamaha Attak but I buy best 4s sled bang for the buck so the more 4s the better for me. GSX would be perfect sled for you or maybe new 2012 Vector but depends on what trickles down from Apex. You could go back to DI 2s but you will have problems riding the same way as FST. 2S just can't take the high speed abuse of power cruising & I ride alone a lot so 4s the only way for me.
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No need to convince me on a 4s, but there is still a large part of the market that buys 2s. I wonder what the breakdown is 2s vs. 4s. I'm guessing 65% 2s and 35% 4s.
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What do you consider "breakdown"? Blown motor? or breakdown as in you aren't able to ride it anymore and get stuck on the side of the trail?
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Man, I was about as clear as mud on that! I meant to say the breakdown of sales. How many 2s are sold vs. 4s. Thanks Indy!
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haha i gotchya now!
I don't know either but think your numbers are about right. I would think 4s will grow to 50/50 soon unless OEMS can prove DI 2s can run well for 10-11K miles. Trouble is even at that 4s still going strong as you know 1st hand. With the high price of new sleds I would think most riders will keep longer want more miles better mpg too. Gotta say Doo seems to have a handle on etek but AC & Poo no so much. Resale of high mile 4s in overall good condition has to be higher than DI 2s. Heck I'm uncomfortable buying zero mile new DI 2s.lol
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I agree with you. I have had to start putting some money into the sled now, but that's to be expected. At 7k miles I put a new track on and new hyfax while it was apart. At about 9k miles I had a main bearing go out and replaced all while in there. This year I needed a new battery, but again that's expected, and I also just ordered a new primary clutch for it and new carbides to replace the originals. I really do want a new 4s next year, time will tell. I haven't ruled out a Yamaha either. I think Yamaha would be my second choice as I don't really like the look of the Doo, although the 4s Doo chassis does look better IMO.
Ive had 3 4s only have 1 left. Had a $ 10,000 sled 4s put 7500 miles in 2 yrs and had 4 dealers offer me between $2200 & $2800. had new track / bearings & rebuilt clutchs. sled was in mint condition.I know 3 people around hear that have gone back to 2s.At 58 years old its a pain in butt trying 2throw around & extra 125 lbs. Dont care how u look at it weight is weight. My new 2s averages about 17 mpg & 1 gal of oil per 1000 miles. I know u 4strokers will say u get better mpg than that but I dont always ride on ahard packed trail at 50 mph & try 2 see how good of mileage I can get. I dont care if u have 2s or 4s u need 2 take alot of tender loving care in the rest of sled. And that means all brand if u put any amount of miles on.
I think you would really like the doo 2011 GSX 1200 if you can find a non currnet in Spring at a good price jump on it. Needs 1.25 ripsaw but 1 inch ok but has everything a power crusier would like including push button rear shocks. If 2012 Vector LTX gets EPS & pumps HP of new FI to about 140 HP it would be difficult to pass up kind of the ultimate trail sled that can take a beating for many years without problems.