Michigan Fee increase next season???

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bryan t

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I was told by a lady at the gas station in Lando, that the michigan sticker fee is going to be $45 dollars next year....anybody else heard this???

I will pay it anyways..cause I like riding in michigan, and go more than once a year...but I can't fault people that go one or two times a year, for being upset.

BTW..when you guys gonna vote granholm out???
 
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caged_beagle

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bryan t said:
I was told by a lady at the gas station in Lando, that the michigan sticker fee is going to be $45 dollars next year....anybody else heard this???

I will pay it anyways..cause I like riding in michigan, and go more than once a year...but I can't fault people that go one or two times a year, for being upset.

BTW..when you guys gonna vote granholm out???
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Still cheap when you consider what you get. And, BTW Michigan has term limits. We don't have to vote the b***h out this time....she's gone any ways, thank god!
 
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chords

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In 2012, it will go up to $45 and stay there for five years adjusted for the cost of living.

I wonder, Does that mean as the cost of living goes up, the sticker price goes down ?
 
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zr500rider

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Was told by guy at our local shop that the dnr told him this is part of the 5yr plan implemented last yr with the increase. They will raise permits another $10 either next yr or yr after then another $5 increase yr after so by 2012 they will be $50. He also says alot of people are walking out without them when they learned they went up this yr. Maybe state will generate enough income thru tickets so they won't have to increase them again....lol Wouldn't mind paying it if went more than once or twice a yr and if they could prove that the clubs were getting the money to put into the trails. Think somebody in Lansing is getting fat pockets off our trail permit money!....IMHO.....Maybe somebody on here knows where or how it is spent.......
 
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russholio

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IMHO....
Trail quality has improved immensely since I started riding in the mid-90's. Bumpy trails used to be the norm, now they're the exception. Almost never saw the groomer in the "old days", now it's rare that I don't see them at least once. Used to be that signage was not always very consistent, either -- some systems were marked very well, while others were not. That seems to have improved as well. Personally, I think it's pretty easy to see that the money is being put to good use.

Nobody likes paying more money for anything, but I think we're getting a fair return on our money and it's still a bargain when you consider what a night out on the town costs (dinner, movie, drinks, etc.) Trail permit is good for 4 months and lots of memories, night out on the town is....well, one night.

And still nowhere near what a trail permit in Canada costs!
 
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michaeladams

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if it's like this year it will be the only place to ride,so i will pay whatever they want.it seemsit goes for a good cause.the trails were wonderfull last week when i was there.
 
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beakjones

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It always amazes me that people would complain about this. When you consider the maintenance that goes into trails, it's a damn bargain. How about comparing to sled prices/maint/FUEL! Seems most people on here are fine with the prices, if you don't want to pay $50 for trails for an entire season, take that $50 and buy some snowshoes I guess...

(nothing against snowshoeing...)
 
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Stumper

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The dog sledders should pay too since they run the trails. I don't use the trail system but my fine government still makes me pay. I say let the trails go to shi# and get the DNR out of this sport altogether.
 
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russholio

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I don't disagree on mushers paying if they're using the trails. But to the best of my knowledge, the trail fees were instituted by the MSA, not the state government, and the DNR is no longer involved in grooming.
 
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xsledder

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I'll be the first to say it, but at $45 for a weekend of riding at John's event, this year might be my last year at the Ride-in. 8 hrs of driving, two days of riding and $45 is getting beyond the benefit/cost ratio for me.

(It's not about money, it is about the benefit/cost ratio.)
 
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mjkaliszak

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russholio said:
IMHO....
Trail quality has improved immensely since I started riding in the mid-90's. Bumpy trails used to be the norm, now they're the exception. Almost never saw the groomer in the "old days", now it's rare that I don't see them at least once. Used to be that signage was not always very consistent, either -- some systems were marked very well, while others were not. That seems to have improved as well. Personally, I think it's pretty easy to see that the money is being put to good use.

Nobody likes paying more money for anything, but I think we're getting a fair return on our money and it's still a bargain when you consider what a night out on the town costs (dinner, movie, drinks, etc.) Trail permit is good for 4 months and lots of memories, night out on the town is....well, one night.

And still nowhere near what a trail permit in Canada costs!
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Very well said, $50 is nothing. Yes if you ride here 1 time a year then ..... go somewhere else. I can't say enough good about all the people who donate their time to keep the trail systems in good shape. There is a lot of effort that many people contribute to keep this states trails " 2nd to none ".
 
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Hoosier

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That's correct, Russholio - the DNR is no longer involved in grooming. However, they do take a substantial cut of the registration and trail permit proceeds. The MSA has been working to get more details as to what they do with it.
 
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russholio

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And as much as I believe it's a bargain, I do feel for the folks who only ride here for a day or two, or maybe a week. It would be nice, as Upsledder states, if they could institute a day or even week long permit at a reduced cost. Canada does, I don't know why we couldn't.
 
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nic

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I have to agree w/ Russ that the UP trails have seen vast improvements over the past 10+ Yrs. As noted, signage was a bit scarce and bumps the size of volkswagons weren't uncommon (when you have that much snow and not enough grooming, it can happen I swear). But these days, it's totally different. Trail markers are much better (throughout, not just in this popular area or that), and the grooming has increased immensely. Even if I only get to the UP once or twice a year- it's still worth $50 to me. Just wish we could ensure it's going where it's needed, and not paying for gov't/DNR 'administrative' costs. If it's for groomers, fuel, equipment, signs, bridge maintenace, etc- no problem at all.
 
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upsledder

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xsledder said:
I'll be the first to say it, but at $45 for a weekend of riding at John's event, this year might be my last year at the Ride-in. 8 hrs of driving, two days of riding and $45 is getting beyond the benefit/cost ratio for me.

(It's not about money, it is about the benefit/cost ratio.)
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That's the comment that is very well said. I think the increases will hurt the U.P. a lot, mainly the loss from Wisconsin residents. On any given weekend, If there is reasonable snow south of the bridge, I'd bet the U.P. has more riders from Wisconsin than any other state including Michigan. Besides the average year having a few more weeks of riding, what does Michigan offer that Wisconsin doesn't? How many families of 5 are going to pay an extra $225 just to cross the border?

It's easy to say that $50 is nothing if you make $75K a year....not every sledder does.
 
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viper700s

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You guys complaining about $35 or $45 dollar permits is nuts. Trail grooming over the past 4 years alone has improved along with many other things. To complain about $35 dollars when you ride $10,000 etc. sleds is a joke. I do agree that they should offer a week long trail permit.
 
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