Michigan has more money......

swanee

New member
I've said this before...if a politician's platform was only that he was going to create very long unemployment lines for government workers then he would have my vote. Don't care which party.

Reduce Spending!!
 

catdog

Member
545 people

545 PEOPLE by Charlie Reese -
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people and they alone, are responsible.
They and they alone, have the power.

They and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
 

mjkaliszak

New member
I fear what this country will become. I can go on & on with my opinion. I for 1 don't feel our government represents my wife & I at all. Time for revolution.
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
I've said this before...if a politician's platform was only that he was going to create very long unemployment lines for government workers then he would have my vote. Don't care which party.

Reduce Spending!!

Swanee-
As with most people with any common sense, we can all agree that the government spends too much. But the problem is that reducing spending does not just create long lines of unemployed government workers...that is not the problem. The problem is that the federal government's purchases represents 20% of our economy, and if they are scaled back significantly the impact on the private sector will be enormous.

Look at it this way, if you are going to work every morning building armored trucks for the Army at Oshkosh Truck, and the Army cancels the contract, you are an unemployed private sector worker. Twenty percent of our economy (like it or not) relies on federal government purchases to go to work.

Look, we all want to cut spending and have lower taxes. But the question for right now is, given that we have 10% unemployment (18% real unemployment), given that the unemployment is systemic due to permanent job losses in the manufacturing sector, is now the time to reduce federal government purchases that represent 20% of our economy?

BTW, I don't know the answer. But I do know that the remaining 80% of the economy is too weak right now to absorb additional unemployed manufacturing jobs from the private sector that made trucks for the Army, boots for the Marines, and printed forms for the IRS. And if you think the government bureaucrats, given a choice, will eliminate their jobs before those of the private sector, think again.
 

mxz_chris

New member
Swanee-
As with most people with any common sense, we can all agree that the government spends too much. But the problem is that reducing spending does not just create long lines of unemployed government workers...that is not the problem. The problem is that the federal government's purchases represents 20% of our economy, and if they are scaled back significantly the impact on the private sector will be enormous.

Look at it this way, if you are going to work every morning building armored trucks for the Army at Oshkosh Truck, and the Army cancels the contract, you are an unemployed private sector worker. Twenty percent of our economy (like it or not) relies on federal government purchases to go to work.

Look, we all want to cut spending and have lower taxes. But the question for right now is, given that we have 10% unemployment (18% real unemployment), given that the unemployment is systemic due to permanent job losses in the manufacturing sector, is now the time to reduce federal government purchases that represent 20% of our economy?

BTW, I don't know the answer. But I do know that the remaining 80% of the economy is too weak right now to absorb additional unemployed manufacturing jobs from the private sector that made trucks for the Army, boots for the Marines, and printed forms for the IRS. And if you think the government bureaucrats, given a choice, will eliminate their jobs before those of the private sector, think again.

What if the tax code was revised, along with a drastic reduction in spending? A VAT replacing the current code would INCREASE tax payments to the government, while keeping more money in our pockets. Eliminate the IRS. All this would increase the buying power of the private sector, eventually replacing the 20% that the government spending is doing now. I can spend my money better than the Feds any day.
 

ezra

Well-known member
Swanee-
As with most people with any common sense, we can all agree that the government spends too much. But the problem is that reducing spending does not just create long lines of unemployed government workers...that is not the problem. The problem is that the federal government's purchases represents 20% of our economy, and if they are scaled back significantly the impact on the private sector will be enormous.

Look at it this way, if you are going to work every morning building armored trucks for the Army at Oshkosh Truck, and the Army cancels the contract, you are an unemployed private sector worker. Twenty percent of our economy (like it or not) relies on federal government purchases to go to work.

Look, we all want to cut spending and have lower taxes. But the question for right now is, given that we have 10% unemployment (18% real unemployment), given that the unemployment is systemic due to permanent job losses in the manufacturing sector, is now the time to reduce federal government purchases that represent 20% of our economy?

BTW, I don't know the answer. But I do know that the remaining 80% of the economy is too weak right now to absorb additional unemployed manufacturing jobs from the private sector that made trucks for the Army, boots for the Marines, and printed forms for the IRS. And if you think the government bureaucrats, given a choice, will eliminate their jobs before those of the private sector, think again.

we have to make the cut at some point now is as good a time as any.back to JFK economics and spending levels and fed employee #'s and fed benefits lets start there.all the Dem's think they love JFK and all he stood for. the GOP has used his economic policy's as a model from Regan on so It is a good place to go back to.even though you are corect huge lines of extremely unqualified federal workers only getting 4 weeks of unemployment would be bad .but they could possibly get jobs in a stable shoveling piles of crap from one corner to another or work at call centers being rude to people that call. couch testers bed testers who cares get them out the legacy costs of these people is going to be enough to drown this country alone
 

mjkaliszak

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we have to make the cut at some point now is as good a time as any.back to JFK economics and spending levels and fed employee #'s and fed benefits lets start there.all the Dem's think they love JFK and all he stood for. the GOP has used his economic policy's as a model from Regan on so It is a good place to go back to.even though you are corect huge lines of extremely unqualified federal workers only getting 4 weeks of unemployment would be bad .but they could possibly get jobs in a stable shoveling piles of crap from one corner to another or work at call centers being rude to people that call. couch testers bed testers who cares get them out the legacy costs of these people is going to be enough to drown this country alone

Ezra... that is beautiful ! I concur.

How long until it snows ?
 

mjkaliszak

New member
1 more thing , I'm down with getting rid of the IRS. How abouty a flat tax ? I want to pay my fair share.......
Federal Income Tax was supposed to be a war tax originally, now it is mainstay. I think it's illegal, just like the people that cross our borders and flood our southern states with burden.
Funny ( not really ) after 9 yrears since 9-11, we still can't close our borders. When my immigrant relatives came to this contry, they did it legally, learned the language and worked hard in the coal mines , then the textile industry, then they were farmers. Now I go to the bank and the ATM asks me if i want it in spanish ????? Illegal is illegal , in both cases , Taxes & immigrants. Time for revolution.
And secondly, back to road & money thing. Down in this corner of the state they were putting up that "chicken wire" lane dividers . Problem I had seen was that the crews had an overabundance of immigrant looking workers. Didn't look right to me. Whom got stimulated there ? Or was that part of "make your home more affordable give away -illegal immigrant amnesty- program " that our federal government had worked up ?
 
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dcsnomo

Moderator
1 more thing , I'm down with getting rid of the IRS. How abouty a flat tax ? I want to pay my fair share.......
Federal Income Tax was supposed to be a war tax originally, now it is mainstay. I think it's illegal, just like the people that cross our borders and flood our southern states with burden.
Funny ( not really ) after 9 yrears since 9-11, we still can't close our borders. When my immigrant relatives came to this contry, they did it legally, learned the language and worked hard in the coal mines , then the textile industry, then they were farmers. Now I go to the bank and the ATM asks me if i want it in spanish ????? Illegal is illegal , in both cases , Taxes & immigrants. Time for revolution.
And secondly, back to road & money thing. Down in this corner of the state they were putting up that "chicken wire" lane dividers . Problem I had seen was that the crews had an overabundance of immigrant looking workers. Didn't look right to me. Whom got stimulated there ? Or was that part of "make your home more affordable give away -illegal immigrant amnesty- program " that our federal government had worked up ?


Ooooh, those evil "immigrant looking" workers. Not illegal, just "immigrant looking". You mean, like your Irish great grandfather in the early 1900s, he was "immigrant looking".

So using your logic, any legal American citizen of Mexican heritage (15.4% of US population, 46.9 million people LEGAL citizens) cannot work because they share the same physical characteristics as illegal aliens????

Mexican-American, like Irish-American, is a heritage, not a crime.
 

ezra

Well-known member
and according to our administration being a illegal immigrant oh sorry undocumented worker is not illegal .1st they go after AZ now going after a law that makes it illegal to rent to [undocumented workers] really nothing bigger going on now to worry about than states laws and county laws over there at the fed go plan a vacation or something
 

zr500rider

New member
Pistons....Yep it's very nice road now. Live about 4 miles east of 127 just into Michigan. All that new pavement and concrete was put down early this summer. I don't understand it as that stretch of road really was NOT bad at all. I think everyone is forgetting that this is a MAJOR route to and from M. I. S. from the south. That being said....it was resurfaced north of the race track up to Jackson last yr. That race track brings in a LOT of money to this area and believe me attendance has been down last couple yrs. Track owner is really trying about anything to promote the track. I am not sure but certainly would not be surprised if the race track has a lot more to do with the resurfacing of that stretch of hwy. I would like to see them finish the 4 lanes of the darn thing all the way to 20 in Ohio. Don't even go near it race weekends.....lol
 

mjkaliszak

New member
Ooooh, those evil "immigrant looking" workers. Not illegal, just "immigrant looking". You mean, like your Irish great grandfather in the early 1900s, he was "immigrant looking".

So using your logic, any legal American citizen of Mexican heritage (15.4% of US population, 46.9 million people LEGAL citizens) cannot work because they share the same physical characteristics as illegal aliens????

Mexican-American, like Irish-American, is a heritage, not a crime.

I want to know "who stole the kiszka". The good thing about america is that we are all entitled to our opinion . Unfortunately my logic however flawed , is still mine. Perhaps we could agree that it's time for snow ?
 

mjkaliszak

New member
I want to bring up the " logic issue " and attempt to clarify my poor choice of words. I will admit from time to time I have the tendency to stick my foot in my mouth. By no means was I looking to be-little any ethnic citizen of the US. Documented or not documented, legal or illegal for lack of better words . If you are a snowmobilier or weather watcher and a member of this forum , we are good in my book. My intention was to plant the seed of " what is obvious " in SW mich regarding large groups of mexican workers. It seems that companies harbor them thus taking advantage of their status and under paying them. This benefits the corporations aka company owners . My belief is that the stimlus money is going in the pockets of a select few.

" DCSNOMO...." We obviously have different convictions and my intention is not to start a war or have an heated disagreement with anyone on this board. Furthermore I would like to apologize for my lack of professionalism and narrow mindedness .It was a poor decision to click on " submit reply " without thinking. Please accept this apology to all offended.

Mike
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
I want to bring up the " logic issue " and attempt to clarify my poor choice of words. I will admit from time to time I have the tendency to stick my foot in my mouth. By no means was I looking to be-little any ethnic citizen of the US. Documented or not documented, legal or illegal for lack of better words . If you are a snowmobilier or weather watcher and a member of this forum , we are good in my book. My intention was to plant the seed of " what is obvious " in SW mich regarding large groups of mexican workers. It seems that companies harbor them thus taking advantage of their status and under paying them. This benefits the corporations aka company owners . My belief is that the stimlus money is going in the pockets of a select few.

" DCSNOMO...." We obviously have different convictions and my intention is not to start a war or have an heated disagreement with anyone on this board. Furthermore I would like to apologize for my lack of professionalism and narrow mindedness .It was a poor decision to click on " submit reply " without thinking. Please accept this apology to all offended.

Mike

Mike-
Thanks for the post. While we may discuss other things in the future, I will know I am discussing with a gentleman, regardless of our differing views. The apology, while unnecessary, is accepted, and is returned with a like apology for my response, which was heavy handed.

Now let's do a snow dance!
 

pistons

New member
My original post was making fun of the curbs leading to little used dirt roads. How many miles of asphalt could have been laid or pot holes filled with that money they wasted on curbs?
 

ezra

Well-known member
I dose not have to make sense gov at work spend the money and don't think about it it is called make work
 
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