I agree harley's are worse than sleds. However, harley's are on public roads on not crossing private property. Not much one can do to close down a road. When I had the issue with harley's waking up my infant and toddler children, I did pull in the local sherriff. He basically said they do not enforce noise on bikes - came from top down. Don't know if it is because we are a "harley state" or if the boss man rode or had buddies that rode. Either way I quickly hit a dead end with bikes. Unfortunatly for the snowmobiling community, when a trail is on private ground, they have all the right in the world to close it down, just like they opened it up.
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I agree harley's are worse than sleds. However, harley's are on public roads on not crossing private property. Not much one can do to close down a road. When I had the issue with harley's waking up my infant and toddler children, I did pull in the local sherriff. He basically said they do not enforce noise on bikes - came from top down. Don't know if it is because we are a "harley state" or if the boss man rode or had buddies that rode. Either way I quickly hit a dead end with bikes. Unfortunatly for the snowmobiling community, when a trail is on private ground, they have all the right in the world to close it down, just like they opened it up.
Oh Gee, I wasn't aware that 2 shifts a week in a freaking groomer qualified as "sitting behind a keyboard"......I simply choose not to publicize it unlike SOME people........
And I never said I was running a loud exhaust......merely that there are far too many holier than thou control freaks in the entire country that want to control everything about other people's lives.....
And as to trail reroutes, you think dealing with landowners is a pain try dealing with petty local politicians (road commission) and all of their associated baggage........ala the Miner's Castle Trail fiasco.........
to those that they think they have a god giving right to run an aftermarket exhaust; go with me when I talk to a landowner about why he closed the trail because of loud exhaust. you can run it on the trail and show him that you are just exercising your choice. (even though it exceeds the noise limits). Don't bring Harley riders in to this issue as trail easements are the issue. Noise limit for snowmobiles manufactured on or after July 2 1975; the noise level for exhaust & engine noise shall be 88db as measured in accordance SAE standards J2567 established in Jan 2004. See the WI snowmobile handbook.
groomerdriver
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Is this the best you can do?
Jees Groomerdriver - how about chilling out. Are you by any chance that guy in the left lane driving side by side with the car in the right lane doing he speed limit? Blocking all behind because you think if you obey the law you are going to try to make others do the same... all worried about how fast every one is going... I agree with buddha.
To me its all about where you ride. I run pipes... Never had an issue. I don't ride the trails.
You should all be mad at the DNR for not enforcing and doing their job more then the guys running the pipes. Think of all the $ they could get in fines.
Plus it would put a stop to the excessive abusers running the problem areas where complaints come in if they patrolled those areas and ticketed.
Gee, I wasn't aware we were "doin' the dozens" as the old, old saying used to go.............
groomerdriver
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You can agree with buddah2.....it's a free country....as of today at least.
And NO, on the subject of landowners closing trails because of snowmobilers breaking the law, I WILL NOT chill out.
We need to be the enforcers, not the DNR, Sheriff's Dept. or anybody else. If you want to be a lawbreaker, that is your call. I for one hope you are caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If only because you are turning up your nose to those who follow the law.
This really is so simple, yet some still don't get it. You read all the time of snowmobile noise complaints and how loud sled pipes have closed trails. Why on earth would you purposely jeopardize the very sport that we all enjoy? Loud sleds close trails, that's a fact. Do all snowmobilers a favor, and get rid of your loud pipes. You love this sport so much, do the right thing.
I can only hope you try to enforce..... That will be fun. Its nothing to do with you "the one following the law". You have no right to "make" or "enforce" jack.
Come on man. I understand your passion but it is no reason to be rude and put other people down because their opinion differs from yours.
Also remember the area you ride and the areas we ride are not the same at all.
Losing trails is no joke. You are always going to have people who have no regard at all for the rules or laws. You need to work with the proper authorities in your area. Partner with them and your club. That's the only way your going to make a change. Personal attacks and insults will accomplish nothing.
I appreciate your obvious passion.
Yourself included, apparently. Nobody died and left you guys in charge. Enforcement of ALREADY EXISTING laws is what is needed. Not vigilantism. It's not our fault if your local LEO's can't be bothered to enforce, get on their asses. Get off the soapbox and onto the backside of whoever is responsible for enforcement in your area.
We're lucky in the area where snocrazy & I live and ride in that the vast majority of trails within 50 or so miles in any direction are pretty much either public land or so desolate nobody cares......that said, I reiterate what I stated previously, I don't personally run a loud exhaust rather I hate having people, government or individual, try to force their will on others so long as it's not illegal.
Addendum: At this point we'll have to agree to disagree, vehemently......I'm done........
snobuilder
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my personal op is that we as sledders are 100% quieter now than when the triples ruled the trails, my gawd....a stock cat ZRT was louder than most aftermarket twin cylinder quiet cans are today.
While we can't be trail cops and go busting complete strangers, we can and should be talking to the regular folks we ride with in our own groups. The groups where everyone has the loud can should be easy to spot by the dnr and given citations for it.
While we can't be trail cops and go busting complete strangers, we can and should be talking to the regular folks we ride with in our own groups. The groups where everyone has the loud can should be easy to spot by the dnr and given citations for it.
We are our own worst enemy when we condone what harms our own sport, and the future of it.
Law enforcement can not, and will not, be able to catch all the riders that skirt the law. We all know that there is not enough enforcement on the trails. It is up to all of us to ENCOURAGE all sled riders to obey the law. I would hope this is just common sense. Do your part now, and everyone may be able to enjoy this sport for many years to come.
Law enforcement can not, and will not, be able to catch all the riders that skirt the law. We all know that there is not enough enforcement on the trails. It is up to all of us to ENCOURAGE all sled riders to obey the law. I would hope this is just common sense. Do your part now, and everyone may be able to enjoy this sport for many years to come.
Could not agree more.........
Now let me say something because I do have modified exhaust I raced for 5 years and trust me my sleds are much quieter now then they were back then second my sleds all will pass testing by any dnr standard weather it's at idle or at 4 grand. Third I ride 98 percent private property and if I do ride trails I can take my can off my sno pro and put stick on in less than 5 min. I do very much enjoy the sound my sled makes bit again if I feel like hearing my sled at wide open throttle I will mash it when I want because I'm on PRIVATE PROPERTY. Now for my next part I do ride very respectfully on the trails in town because trails are the best way to go from property to property but guess what when I'm in town it's low and slow because for 5 years I had people staring at me I don't want there attention or anyone else..... I average 200 trail miles a year. I also have property in a very snowmobile friendly town but I get annoyed just like anyone else when someone is BRAPPING there sled to get attention. Also JUST BECAUSE IT'S AFTERMARKET DOES NOT MEAN THERE LOUD USE YOUR BRAIN..... this argument gets old because it's always the same thing I get people get mad because most people don't use there brains and don't understand how much work goes into keeping the trail system open and available. My uncle who I do help struggles year after year to minimize snowmobile damage to our property and the property of trout lake. We put up signs and fences and gates for people year after year to find a way around. I do get that frustration. But I guess it's all about perspective there's people out there that think they know everything. That's all fine and dandy. There's people out there that know nothing and get offended when there called out.... there's also people who bust there a$s to keep the sport they love going. With this all being said GROW UP GUYS WERE IN IT TOGETHER. there will be differences there will be arguments it HAPPENS. The simple fact is people will always do stuff that is not legal or right it's inevitable and someday Johnny law will get them and hopefully make them pay for it. I remember the day when the yoop was slammed with sledders and at 2 am it sounded like a bee hive just got knocked onto the ground. Now even a busy weekend where there are sleds everywhere it's basically quiet. Sleds are quieter as I said before my sleds will pass in 14 years of riding I've never once been given a ticket or for that matter broken any laws knowingly I've been pulled over checked had to take a breathalyzer for a check point and i rode in mich wis minn wyom maine and anywhere i can .I do not drink and ride period I also don't trespass as well. I have and will always be a proud john dee member because I think the people on this forum are top notch and set a darn good example for what snowmobiles should be....... sorry for the rant guys but this is getting kinda crazy.
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It's not a race can either it's a sno stuff baffle can and lol all but my eltigre are modded in someway but still legal in all aspects.
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AND my previous post was not ment to offend anyone directly I care about all my friends I've made from this site and I am sorry if I did offend anyone.
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AND my previous post was not ment to offend anyone directly I care about all my friends I've made from this site and I am sorry if I did offend anyone.
groomerdriver
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A certain poster replied with this:
Well my.....aren't we all self-rightgeous and full of ourselves this evening.........
If you don't like stuff, don't run it.......if it's too loud then owner will get a ticket........not up to you to be the arbiter of taste.......
You post up words like this on a sensitive subject (some of us are more sensitive about it than others) what do you expect.....everybody to follow his lead and praise his words?
Not me...EVER! And if I can rip on it from the afterlife somehow, count on me doing it!
Well my.....aren't we all self-rightgeous and full of ourselves this evening.........
If you don't like stuff, don't run it.......if it's too loud then owner will get a ticket........not up to you to be the arbiter of taste.......
You post up words like this on a sensitive subject (some of us are more sensitive about it than others) what do you expect.....everybody to follow his lead and praise his words?
Not me...EVER! And if I can rip on it from the afterlife somehow, count on me doing it!
Who licked the red off of your freaking lollipop? You had to go all the way back to post #6 to try to restart this?
Pffffffffffffffft !!!!
groomerdriver
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Yea I know....apologies to some/most here. Obviously this is a subject that is important to me.
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Just keeping clarity about what which poster here started this sheetstorm.
uncle_ed
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I feel this issue is bigger than the fact that there is a law in place that limits noise and its enforcement. As I get older I think more about the future of this sport and where its going and what I am going to leave my kids, family and the next generation of snowmobilers with to enjoy. I could live in the day and just think about myself...... or do what might help promote this sport in a positive light and maybe even add trails rather than loose them.
If you have ever raised kids you know about sacrifice and giving up some freedoms to be with them and build them a positive future. I feel thats what we need to do here and make tough choices that will pay dividends for not just myself but others who want to enjoy snowmobiling for years to come.
If you have ever raised kids you know about sacrifice and giving up some freedoms to be with them and build them a positive future. I feel thats what we need to do here and make tough choices that will pay dividends for not just myself but others who want to enjoy snowmobiling for years to come.