misrepresented miles on a sled?
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If this was an automobile dealer would be in big-time trouble. Not sure if there's any laws that apply regarding a sled, probably not. Which is why local cops don't care. I've heard of rental biz. switching out speedos so people don't grip about getting a "new" rental with 9,000 miles on it. Pretty easy to mis-represent miles on a sled whether dealer or private party...buyer beware.
wont stop it my f7 had a bad spedo got a new one under warr had 0 mi 0hr after swap.I have been on many trips in the days of long trail back pack 600mi vacatins when 1/2 the guys had no spedo hooked up.also seen allot of 300mi 03 f7 get sold as stock low mi sleds that just days before were full mod pusshing as mutch nos as it could take from day 1 and 1/2 the mi were 660ft wfo and the other 1/2 brapping back to the line but still look brand new
Did your friend trade directly to the dealer who now has it? Did the speedo work when it was traded in? Did "everything" work on the sled when it was traded in?
If the answer is yes to "all of the above" the only thing you can do is post the name of the dealer on this thread so we all know who the scum bucket dealer is...
If the answer is yes to "all of the above" the only thing you can do is post the name of the dealer on this thread so we all know who the scum bucket dealer is...
mezz
Well-known member
Is it possible the speedo had to be replaced? Perhaps it was replaced with a used/salvaged speedo. Have someone shop there & inquire about the sleds miles being actual. If they say "yes" or "as far as I know", report them to the Better Business Bureau, then spread the word.-Mezz
chicagosledder
New member
I find that very hard to believe and couldn't disagree with you more. That is fraud no matter how you look at it. You are selling something to somebody and misrepresenting it. I don't know what state this occurring in but I would definitely contact the Attorney General with the matter and inform them of this. There is still a financial transaction occurring and there is a monetary loss on the buyer's part.
What should also be done is to let us on here know what dealer this is occurring at so we know not to deal with them.
Eagle River Mike
Member
There is no specific law to snowmobile odometers like there is for car odometers. When you sign over the title to a car, you write in the mileage and are attesting to the fact that it is true and correct. With a sled or ATV, there is no statement on the title and many times sleds are sold without titles. I am sure some other general laws would apply such as fraud. Last time my friend rented an Arctic Cat in the UP, the speedometer was disconnected. When we confronted the rental place, they stated that they keep track of mileage by how many days the sled is rented and adjust the odometers at the end of the season...sure they do!
oldguy
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POLARIS TURBO
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I agree , blow the whistle !! i heard there alot of wholesalers out there that are paying big money for high mileage sleds ,so maybe they are turning them back!! buyer beware !! its sad and remember this what comes around goes around !! im a firm believer of that!!
anonomoose
New member
Actually, anyone can be sued for doing that. Any reasonable person would rely upon the odometer being correct and reflecting actual use/state of condition.
Unless you inform the buyer (wisely in writing,) specifically not to rely on the odometer mileage, IF it can be proven that the dealer even knew about it, they could be sued and in trouble by the state commerce laws.
Tell your buddy to save the vin numbers, do some research in awhile to see who bought it and write the guy a letter informing him of the scam. No doubt the owner will not be happy and take it from there.
Nobody likes this sort of thing going on...and just because folks think there is NO law against it, is no justification for sticking it to someone else.
If this was done by a private party, you could also take them to court and then collect from their wages.
Sad process, but you know it probably goes on.....
When I do a search on ebay and see sleds with 8 miles on them, and wonder who in their right mind would believe that!!!??? But they do it!
Unless you inform the buyer (wisely in writing,) specifically not to rely on the odometer mileage, IF it can be proven that the dealer even knew about it, they could be sued and in trouble by the state commerce laws.
Tell your buddy to save the vin numbers, do some research in awhile to see who bought it and write the guy a letter informing him of the scam. No doubt the owner will not be happy and take it from there.
Nobody likes this sort of thing going on...and just because folks think there is NO law against it, is no justification for sticking it to someone else.
If this was done by a private party, you could also take them to court and then collect from their wages.
Sad process, but you know it probably goes on.....
When I do a search on ebay and see sleds with 8 miles on them, and wonder who in their right mind would believe that!!!??? But they do it!
harvest1121
Well-known member
I sold a snowmobile to a friend who used it for 2 years. He traded it in to a dealer then we saw it 2 years later with half the miles. This was a very good dealer we did not say anything but were not happy when we saw that.
Harvest, alot can happen in 2 years, might not be the dealer at all. Back in the early 80's I bought my 2nd or 3rd new sled. 22 years old at the time. New is new right? A moto ski 9500 lq, last years model, full warr. ect. got a smokin buy. The first weekend this sled was falling apart, blew the chain case, 2 days later the clutch. Went over it real close and it was just plain old worn out. A few calls to some friends and I found out it was the shops race sled. Took it back, stood there until they pd me my cash and never spent a dime in that place again. That spring ski doo closed out alot of under-performing dealers and I bought 2 new mxz 5500's march 15th for 3050.00 out the door, belts, covers, and a case of oil included. Yes thats for 2 new sleds with independant suspension. The funny thing was 3 years later at Lakewoods Resort in Wi. I saw the pair, as I had them pinstriped and some other custom changes. Talking with the proud new owners I noticed the milage was half of what I had put on, plus their last season. This is an old continuing practice in any sector that has odometers, hour meters ect. Before the laws, all dealers would 'bump' the odo, before the guy that trades it in left the lot. Ever wonder why every ones folks always had low milage used cars? And now 200,000 on a car is almost common? The laws keep the dealers in line, but the private party is the one to watch out for. Forget the miles and look at condition of what your buying. Its the only thing you can trust on a blind sale. Or buy new, from a friend ect. Remember, if it seems to good to be true.... Its not.
chicagosledder
New member
I still stand by my original post. Not only is it wrong you are misrepresenting the sled. If the Attorney General of that state was contacted believe me they would be interested in it, especially if it is a dealer. With it being a dealer they have a paper trail of all the sleds or other equipment they have sold, if they dig and find a problem believe me the dealer would wish they never did that. For them to do that would not be worth the potential headache in the long run with the legal bills that could arise.
Just my .02
Just my .02
I know in a few states, mn, and fl. for sure that any motor vehical over 10 model years old [9 years] milage certification is not required and your title will read N/REQ. Another out for the dealer is for him to sell it as TMU, true miles unkown. That sometimes comes with the big windy story of why its tmu, but the miles are right. Morally all this is wrong to misrepresent the true reading. In this situation untill the sled is sold and misrepresented at the sale, no law has been broken. And then after the sale, "if" there is a law broken, the buyer might have some recourse. Or you could send in a buyer for this sled and write it up, put some money down. And see what can be done if its sold as actual miles, or even easier is to just shop the sled as a potential buyer and see what the dealer says about the sled and miles ect. Go from there. Just as I was going over my post, the channel 10 news here in Florida rolled back one of their own vehicles, they will tell me how not to get scammed after 3 or 4 commercials. Wow, a guy named Igor has a company named Digital Milage Corrections. He pulls the dash, resets the cluster, then hooks up to the computor and slashs the miles so it will not come up as tampered with. WPLG10 news go to milage for the story. They also said its the largest cime in the country. Auto Nation gave the usual tips, look at condition, wear, paint ect. They said a good car will have a record history to back up the miles. Its the Highway Patrol in FL. and MN. that will investigate for a crime
Things do break. I buy a sled that has 3800 miles ride it for part of a year and the speedo breaks. i can buy a brand new one for $350 bucks or i can buy one off a wrecked sled for a $100. The used one has only1600 miles. I am not trying to screw somebody i just want to save$250 dollars. There is no way that i can make sure that when i trade the sled off in a year or so that the next buyer will know what happened. on a sled all you can do is inspect the track,look at the clutches, do a compression check, and run it. you have to decide on a used sled what it looks like. i've seen a lot of sleds that one with 5000 miles is a heck of alot better than one with 3000 miles. less miles does not mean a better buy