In my experience the previous three days through 4 different counties and trail systems maintained by 4 different clubs, this is not true. Yes, I saw the new directional arrow sign in most 90* turns (although I would question the logic used in the location of a few of them) but I saw very few "sharp turn" warning signs.
My experience on the new signs
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In my experience the previous three days through 4 different counties and trail systems maintained by 4 different clubs, this is not true. Yes, I saw the new directional arrow sign in most 90* turns (although I would question the logic used in the location of a few of them) but I saw very few "sharp turn" warning signs.
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That's interesting russholio. I hope to find out, snow permitting, first hand next week when I'm in the UP the 12th-19th.
*rolls eyes*
I contacted MSA about the issues I noticed in the OP.
It seems that there is a lot of here say about why the signs changed.
Some say (not the DNR) that it's to slow riders down. The DNR says it's to reduce clutter. Which is true? Has the DNR only told select individuals of a hidden agenda? That sounds utterly ridiculous.
Even more ridiculous are people trying to defend the reduced signage. Really? You really think this is a good thing? There are many reasons stated as to why this is not a good thing on this thread alone. Again, you can't argue that if it's good for the trails it must be good for us that drive cars on roads.
It seems that there is a lot of here say about why the signs changed.
Some say (not the DNR) that it's to slow riders down. The DNR says it's to reduce clutter. Which is true? Has the DNR only told select individuals of a hidden agenda? That sounds utterly ridiculous.
Even more ridiculous are people trying to defend the reduced signage. Really? You really think this is a good thing? There are many reasons stated as to why this is not a good thing on this thread alone. Again, you can't argue that if it's good for the trails it must be good for us that drive cars on roads.
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There has to be more to it then to reduce clutter! That's just nuts IMO. I'm not sure the DNR has a clue as to why they did it. I've been riding in the UP since 1993, 3-6 times per year, 2,000-3,000 miles per year (except last year of course) and never once have I thought or heard someone say "you know, there's just too many signs out of the trails and I don't like all of the clutter". I doubt any of you have either, if you're honest about it.
And there's also the "to reduce lawsuits" reason. Seems like we're not getting the whole story from anyone. So I guess it's:
A) to slow riders down
B) to reduce clutter
C) to reduce lawsuits
D) all of the above
E) A & B only
F) A & C only
G) B & C only
polarisman_98
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Don't forget...
H) None of the above
H) None of the above
Firecatguy
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Higher trail passes and less signage.....I see a pattern starting
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nope, there were 5 of us on the Twin Lakes side of the loop trail 13 and we were running it hard and had no problems. All this really is is all of us being back seat drivers speculating, including myself. I rode the trail as fast as my sled could go and it's not real fast but with Simmons skis it holds a line superbly so business as usual.
In the tight twisties -- yes, a little (though we always went fairly slow through them anyhow). Not because I'm worried about my driving, but rather, the Ricky Racers who think the trail is their own personal racetrack and couldn't care less whether there are signs or not.
In long straights and/or open areas where there is plenty of visibility to see what's coming up -- no, not really. But again, I'm not a speed junkie anyhow.
snobuilder
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wait til it snows...this is going to be a boon for attorneys sueing whats left of MI out of it. Idiots, just plane idiots!
if the signs were unecessary why were they put up in the 1st place?
the perfect irony of this is that the same goons that abhor a drop of alchohol in a sledder is all for the irresponsibility of trail sign removal.....brings to mind a Thanksgiving episode of WKRP in Cincinnati....LOL duuuuuumb idea!
if the signs were unecessary why were they put up in the 1st place?
the perfect irony of this is that the same goons that abhor a drop of alchohol in a sledder is all for the irresponsibility of trail sign removal.....brings to mind a Thanksgiving episode of WKRP in Cincinnati....LOL duuuuuumb idea!
snobuilder
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After going back and reading more of the comments on this tread I find a disturbing vindictive undertone throughout many of them where the feelings expressed are like " i am the good guy and I think the "crazies" or "idiots" or "ricky racer" deserves what he or she gets and if sign removal does it, I am all for it!!!"
I hope that the sledders that have ridden this year are right and the sign removal wasn't that noticable, but just a thought...think back to before this idea was proposed and then imagine someone respected on here started a tread about some vandals visciously going around removing trail signage and what the JD chit chat response would have been....LOL ...the words "lynch mob" comes to mind.
I hope that the sledders that have ridden this year are right and the sign removal wasn't that noticable, but just a thought...think back to before this idea was proposed and then imagine someone respected on here started a tread about some vandals visciously going around removing trail signage and what the JD chit chat response would have been....LOL ...the words "lynch mob" comes to mind.
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We got 135 miles on this past week 110 on Thursday our first chance to run the new less singes. I would say I was not overly disappointed. I my have rode a little slower but not much. I did not miss any turns no Oh $#it's. I miss them when the lighting is bad (dusk) but I am older and find driving at dusk is always less desirable. I am also use to ridding woods CCC trail and reading the trail makes all the difference ridding at any pace. I could see people getting wide on corners from coming hotter then anticipated.
Riding just myself I have no problem I may change my mind after dealing with more traffic. We need more snow to get more time on the trails. But more snow may make the trails more readable?
Riding just myself I have no problem I may change my mind after dealing with more traffic. We need more snow to get more time on the trails. But more snow may make the trails more readable?
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lenny
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As the snow deepens the trail edges get taller especially on corners so yea, that will help,, good point!