Yeah Vegas bets right now are for fun sucker bets have not even had 1st preseason game. Cubs spring training w/l record didn't look good but when season started they dominated. There will be new teams in top 10 of NFL this year good coaching & young talent the way to go in NFL. Packers are getting so old now difficult to hold together for 16 games. Peppers gets nicked & will be done not an everydown player anymore.
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Yeah Vegas bets right now are for fun sucker bets have not even had 1st preseason game. Cubs spring training w/l record didn't look good but when season started they dominated. There will be new teams in top 10 of NFL this year good coaching & young talent the way to go in NFL. Packers are getting so old now difficult to hold together for 16 games. Peppers gets nicked & will be done not an everydown player anymore.
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Do you guys even watch football???
89% of the Packers are under 28. And 60% are under 24
How exactly is that an old team again??? Rodgers is over 30, which means nothing to a QB. Peppers is over 30, and still a beast, but as has been said in camp, his snaps will be decreasing this year for younger faster guys. And Crosby is over 30. Yep he's the kicker. Again, doesn't matter.
Nobody else is over 30.
Btw, injuries can happen to anyone. But all the depth in the world does nothing without talent. I'm not saying the Vikings and bears don't have talent, but they certainly don't have the talent the Packers have.
I think it's funny when people say if Rodgers goes down, the pack is done. Same goes for Peterson. Though I can't say the same for Cuthead. He is a cancer to any team he's been with.
Good luck this year.
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momoney2123
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No matter which way you slice it, the packers are old in comparison to other teams. Your percentages don't mean much as all NFL teams have a super high percentage under 28 and 26?
I don't agree with packers having most talent in NFC north not including the QB position. Vikings are the most talented roster right now in NFC north, IMO
http://www.footballperspective.com/2015-av-adjusted-team-age/
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god..r u serious..go CUBBIES!!!!!
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and the answer is....8-8
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The entire NFC North could end up over .500 because they play the NFC east teams this year. The NFC east sucks. On paper anyway. Also the Pack is much more a one man team than the Vikes. Take out Rodgers and they are cooked. Take Peterson off the Vikes and they might be better. Peterson has never been a blocker and he is not a reliable receiver. This will be Peterson's last year as a Viking. There is no way they will pay him 18 million or whatever his contract reads for '17 - 18.
momoney2123
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Here is the question on better/more talented rosters other than QB. envision Rodgers on the Vikings roster!! They would be undisputed super bowl favorites and by far the best team in NFL. Pack with Rodgers, one could argue there are 4 or 5 better teams in NFC alone. Carolina, seattle, Arizona, Minnesota not to mention NE, pitt or bengals from AFC
While I don't agree the Vikings would be better without Peterson he isn't the be all end all for them like Rodgers is for pack.
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But this is why the NFL is great, we will see who will prevail. The better overall 'team' or the lesser team with much better QB. Ive said it before and ill say it again the QB is the ultimate trump card and bar none most important position in sports and if I had to bet id take the pack to win the division.
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Zimmer has got most of the pieces. The QB spot is suspect. It might be a 'show me' year for Bridgewater. I believe this is the last year of Matt Stafford's contract. What if..... Bridgewater bombs. Stafford has a crappy year which is very possible since he has lost his security blanket. The Vikes dump Peterson and his salary. Then they have some bucks to sign the final piece of the puzzle. Maybe Stafford. While Stafford is no Rodgers he can make throws that Bridgewater will never be able to make. It was only two years ago Detroit was in the playoffs. Largely because of Stafford. He has never had that great of a team around him. How's that for Tuesday speculation?
momoney2123
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I duno Stafford has had some talented rosters and defenses. they had probably the best front 7 for a few years in NFL and he had the best WR in football to bail him out of a lot of bad throws, but I do think he is an upgrade over teddy. I am interested to see how stafford fairs this year with a sub par D and no calvin to chuck it up and pray.
I think the vikes think they have the future in bridgewater tho. But the guy to watch is jimmy garapolo, if he performs as well as i think he will in 1st 4 games he will be a very hot commodity this offseason
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The Arizona game will be a really good test for Garapolo. I remember a guy named Matt Cassel who looked good when Brady went down. He got to be a hot commodity. But once he left New England his true suckyness was exposed. I think suckyness is a word. At least on John Dees. It might be th New England system. Plug and play, next man up or whatever. Like him or hate him Belacheat is one heck of a coach.
momoney2123
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belachick is best coach in NFL no doubt but he is a defensive guy. cassel looked good that year, but that was on an alltime great roster. go look at that roster haha, loaded will pro bowlers and all pro's. virtually same roster that was 18-0 with brady .
sounds like garapolo is good, but ur right Arizona will be the test as that's a real D
Here is one for ya Stafford or Cutler as Bears QB this year? IDK may be more upside with Stafford & good QB coaching with Da Bears would benefit Stafford then again Stafford gets picked too many times simular to Cutler. If Cutler does not break out this year play very well there will be a new QB next season. I don't think Cutler is the reason Da Bears didn't win last year lots of upgrades needed to happen for both D & O & some very good free agents were signed. Feels like a 500 club to me & moving up.
momoney2123
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They have both had there ups and downs. Cutler was one of the few bright spots on the team last year. He single handily won a few games. Put them in position to win many others. Had minn beat and eventual SB champs on the ropes along with oakland and sf. Bears roster last year was pretty depleated by end of year but was in every game, more of a testament to the coaching staff. Jay had best year ever and seems to be a much more mature QB than his previous years. Right now id take jay over stafford especially with the group he is familiar with.
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It will be interesting to see how Cutler does this season wihtout Gase. Last season it seemed like Cutler had a system that worked for him. Also I think they will miss Forte. He was responsible for a lot of yards even if he was/is old. He knew the system inside and out. He will not be easily replaced. All the NFC North battles will be tough. Unless GB gets a big lead which is entirely possible. The teams all know each other really well. Obviously. The Bears and Lions should both be better. They are all Pros and on any given Sunday Blah Blah. Turnovers and injuries will be a big part of the equation. As always. Not long to wait now.
momoney2123
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Same exact system as gase is what logans is running, nothing changed there which is good for whole offense. I agree forte will be missed but langford did ok in his absence last year. he didn't really know that system as it was his first year in it as well.
The word in camp is kevin white is a beast at WR, which when alshon was out last year cutler was throwing to no namers and still was movin the ball. Him and alshon could be dynamic.
I have a lot of faith in Fox running back by talented committee and Bears are deep at the RB position. The backs are all a bit different in running style a good weapon to have for the O. It seemed in the last few years Forte was always nicked up missed a few games as well. Matt will be missed but it was time to get deeper & better the with RBs. Forte will be missed protecting Cutler but others will have to pick up protection responsibilties or sit on pines.
momoney2123
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Longterm it was the correct descision i think as well. Bears are thin at Oline and had center go down for year already. That worries me. If they have poor oline play forget it. They have 5 solid starters now but not much quality depth. They signed a guy from steelers today but he seems like a 2nd string backup.
Yes I cringed when Pace let Slaussen go to the Chargers he did so well at back up center last year. Last I saw Matt was practicing snaps to Rivers on NFL TV station & if kept could step in without missing a beat for Cutler and rest of O. Pace a wheeler dealer he will get that right center I hope sooner than later. Who knows when Grasiu will ever be ready so Pace has to be thnking the same thing. Pace WILL make a deal and soon.
momoney2123
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Yea slauson would be nice to have now. but pace envisioned his 3rd round pic grasu to be starter which he would have been baring torn ACL. Pace couldn't pay slauson to be backup. o well that's the NFL
I have confidence bears D will be above average this year, but am worried about Oline, we see what happens to any QB in the league when he constantly has to run for his life and cant get a running game going.
Yep bad luck at center going back to Montgomery breaking his leg IDK trade for a good one is my solution get him into traning camp now.