On/off trail sled question...

[srt20]

I chewed on that for aboot 7 seconds then reread this part...then I read somtin else since this wasn't cuttin it jethro

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PS...please tell me your not a drive train don't change with lug heights guy?.....DOH

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ya he didn't think that thru....and remember...A-ARMS are from the UNSERS and INDY CAR DESIGNS....it widens as you go around the bend to hold the car on the track at 200mph...one down and one up....but widen it does

IDK who first designed A-arms.
But there are some many other benefits from A-arms that "widening" on a race car that has minimal suspension travel is about as far down the ladder as you can get.
Camber adjustment, Camber curve tuning, Caster adjustment, anti-dive (not to be confused with a swaybars and chassis roll), front suspension Roll Center tuning, are just of the few. And they are all way more important than creating scrub and losing the contact patch, which results in a front end push condition, which is really what is happening during the "widening" phase of suspension travel.

 

[Tracker]

IDK who first designed A-arms.
But there are some many other benefits from A-arms that "widening" on a race car that has minimal suspension travel is about as far down the ladder as you can get.
Camber adjustment, Camber curve tuning, Caster adjustment, anti-dive (not to be confused with a swaybars and chassis roll), front suspension Roll Center tuning, are just of the few. And they are all way more important than creating scrub and losing the contact patch, which results in a front end push condition, which is really what is happening during the "widening" phase of suspension travel.

see this statement...this is the main reason I say to tighten em up and eliminate the push and the widen...just a thought

creating scrub and losing the contact patch, which results in a front end push condition,


it was THE UNSERS...heres a quote from a mag....wasn't asking was telling...lol

In the case of IFS, a racer, Gordon Rudolph, predated the official Polaris designs. Even famous Indy car driver Bobby Unser claims to have developed the concept for snowmobiles with a setup for oval racing sleds.

http://www.snowmobile.com/events/evolution-of-snowmobile-front-suspensions-1624.html

 

[srt20]

see this statement...this is the main reason I say to tighten em up and eliminate the push and the widen...just a thought

creating scrub and losing the contact patch, which results in a front end push condition,


it was THE UNSERS...heres a quote from a mag....wasn't asking was telling...lol

In the case of IFS, a racer, Gordon Rudolph, predated the official Polaris designs. Even famous Indy car driver Bobby Unser claims to have developed the concept for snowmobiles with a setup for oval racing sleds.

http://www.snowmobile.com/events/evolution-of-snowmobile-front-suspensions-1624.html

Who the heck wants to ride a sled that rides like a brick?

 

[snobuilder]

I didn't read all of this tread but did anyone say at what point the Manufacturers claimed ski stance width is measured at?....as in... no weight on skis?, sled weight only?, set in weight????

Anyways it all seems irrelevant. If a manny claims 42" on a trail sled vs. 39" on a mtn sled the 3" diff will carry through the travel.

 

[Tracker]

Tracker, with all due respect, there are people on this forum with a great deal of experience and skill riding steep/technical terrain. Ezra is one of them. I also like to think I have at least a little bit of experience in this type of riding as well. There is a reason we run narrower ski stance. None of it relates to the geometry theory you are throwing out there.

riiiiiggggght .....there breezey.....lots of good points by the experts in mountain riding....NOT dude.....you and me know more about mountain riding than anyone on this forum...added together....and I am not sure your not losing your touch as well....I thought they might be able to add somtin....but its crickets in here....one of my mottos in mountain climbing applies here dude

DON'T LET FEAR STOP YA

PS...I see don stoen has another sled resort going....you seen him or been there lately? its just south of lolo hot springs.

 

[thebreeze]

Tracker, you assume far to much for your own good.

#1. I have never met you and we have never ridden together.
#2. Do not lump my opinions in with yours, or infer that you or myself are some type of "expert of mountain riding" compared to other members of this forum. Many of whom I ride with and can personally attest to their riding ability, some of which have posted in this thread.
#3. As far as I can tell, you have never even owned a mountain sled.
#4. Knowing about, and knowing how are not the same.
#5. I have no idea who Don Stoen is. When I ride Lolo, its with my friends from the Midwest.

 

[thebreeze]

Not sure if this is right forum for this question, if not sorry.
Used to own a full on mountain sled (15 rmk 600) and had a blast going out west. Decided to get out of mountain riding for a while so sold it. Now looking at getting a crossover sled that would have decent trail manners. Not expecting a trail ripper. The RMK I had was a great deep snow machine but a overheating, ill handling hog on trails as it was designed for steep and deep.
I guess my question is do the newer RMKs (Axys)have better trail manners than the older pro rides? Trying to decide between a Assualt or a 144 Rmk. Generally can pick up an RMK cheaper than an assualt so that why I'm considering the rmk. Would only be used as a back up trail sled on occasion as I have a trail machine.
Or is there another machine I should be considering? Cat high country? Doo Renegade? Price is a factor and I'm looking to stay 600 cc.

IMO the new AXYS chassis RMK handles worse on the trail, though not by much, than the Pro Ride RMK. Cooling on the trails and roads is an issue with the PRO RMK be it the Pro Ride or Axys chassis. I would favor the SKS model with the additional heat exchangers if I was going to be using it for any kind of actual trail duty.

 

[srt20]

IMO the new AXYS chassis RMK handles worse on the trail, though not by much, than the Pro Ride RMK. Cooling on the trails and roads is an issue with the PRO RMK be it the Pro Ride or Axys chassis. I would favor the SKS model with the additional heat exchangers if I was going to be using it for any kind of actual trail duty.

My Pro Rmk is the absolute worst riding sled on trails I have ever ridden. Even worse than my buds Axys Rmk. But that very well may be due to the setup in it. And its at 37" vs 39". But I usually set it for best "get on top of the snow" as I can. Box stock for Box stock, I dont think there is much difference. They both are terrible trail sleds.
It a darn good powder sled, so I guess I just have to take the bad with the good. And it only gets ridden out west. Its never even been to the U.P.

I agree with a SKS for any trail riding. My Pro gets hot very easy on trail. Though its a 163" under a 155" tunnel. Shorter yet coolers.

I also think your assessment of tracker is probably very accurate.

 

[frnash]

… I didn't read all of this tread [sic] but …

You read (snowmobile) "treads", er … "tracks"?
How does that work, can you read the future in the pattern of the lugs (or perhaps studs), like reading tea leaves?

 

[rp7x]

It's been proven lately I have zero knowledge of any thing , even how to read a tape measure , my 163 never runs hot even without a frt heat exchanger , I think it corners very nicely but the only trail I ride is the west end of 13 , a few people have been surprised how well it trail rides. Can anyone tell me how to sharpen a chain saw ? Probly been doing that wrong too

 

[POLARISDAN]

hey dont cut ur friggin arm off..u r taking me out next year to learn this shiiiit

 

[snobuilder]

When ever I reach for my drink, my a-arm....(b-arm as well),... extends a full 4" from being at rest in my lap,....if that helps.

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You read (snowmobile) "treads", er … "tracks"?
How does that work, can you read the future in the pattern of the lugs (or perhaps studs), like reading tea leaves?
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Evidently a thread with traction to move it forward needs tread ,...no? shama-lamading-dong.

 

[Tracker]

Tracker, you assume far to much for your own good.

#1. I have never met you and we have never ridden together.
#2. Do not lump my opinions in with yours, or infer that you or myself are some type of "expert of mountain riding" compared to other members of this forum. Many of whom I ride with and can personally attest to their riding ability, some of which have posted in this thread.
#3. As far as I can tell, you have never even owned a mountain sled.
#4. Knowing about, and knowing how are not the same.
#5. I have no idea who Don Stoen is. When I ride Lolo, its with my friends from the Midwest.

#1 so we haven't ridden together.....big deal...doesn't mean you know how to ride or not
#2 I don't lump us together...I assumed since you rode at lolo you know some stuff...not sure about you now
#3 having guided at lolo hot springs and Yellowstone and I know all about CAT mountain machines
#4 once you ride out west for years you know whats what mountains and trails
#5 years ago I on HCS I asked if anyone knew fish creek road outta lolo hot springs and you said I do ( you were brother breeze then and I ZLZEBUB)....and posted a pic of said road...since that road starts just outside lolo hot springs resort and don and linda stoen owned it for years and rented sleds and stuff....I again assumed you knew what your were talking about....but since you don't know the stoens I suspect you know squat about lolo resort and the people...you sure don't know chicken hawk since I asked you that before and he was the bars drunk for years and years...anyone riding lolo would know the stoens and chicken hawk.....so ya...I take back anything I said aboot you knowing mountain riding and machines, I guess I assumed you were something other than just a Midwesterner....so ya...I wont be bothering you again for knowledge as I see your just a DIAMOND POUNDER at heart....peace out WEEZY....and the forum members and ability.....ya....its evident how much they know by all the good answers about the tech talk stuff in here....NOT

 

[Tracker]

You read (snowmobile) "treads", er … "tracks"?
How does that work, can you read the future in the pattern of the lugs (or perhaps studs), like reading tea leaves?
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and FR NASH....reading a sled track is like this....you go off trail....20 minutes later at end of road you realize all are not there...so you go looking for him....you follow back tracks we all made on off shoot and it gets to main trail....lets say 10 guys go by while you were down that road...you stop at trail before entering....you OBSERVE the way you came in....the 10 guys tracks will go straight thru and yours will be coming in from the right....so now you know lost rider went left as all tracks go straight over the ones that turned in....the ones that turned in are old...the ones on top of those going straight are fresh....now follow to see if one sled turned off...if not go to stop sign...if not there not get off again and walk around looking at tracks....look for many going one way and one going another...if not they all went the same way...on and on....it easy once you try it...theres way more to it but I know your smart and get the general jist of tracking....never lost anyone yet....and had many disappear when off trailing....works in mountains too....but now we all have talkies that work long distances and I let them roam the country side and then I gather them up after an hour or so...if cannot find by talkie....then go to last known location and start following...guys in group help with stuff like...hey those are mine coming up...don't follow those....and so on...hope this clarifies it

 

[chords]

I'm lost just trying to read and follow this ^^^ I'll back track n try again. lol

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[thebreeze]

Here is one for you. I guarantee you've never been back there, or up this chute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nST_a5Na6wA

Evey clear the top of the lionhead 90 in your guiding days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhXEkh3HaLk

Basically the same skill set as riding super fast on the UP trails and two tracks...... ZLZEBUB Diamond Pounding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Pr81dMUHc

 

[rp7x]

Somebody pull his battery , at least if I get lost I know he'll find me , hey witch way am I to go ?

 

[ezra]

#1 so we haven't ridden together.....big deal...doesn't mean you know how to ride or not
#2 I don't lump us together...I assumed since you rode at lolo you know some stuff...not sure about you now
#3 having guided at lolo hot springs and Yellowstone and I know all about CAT mountain machines
#4 once you ride out west for years you know whats what mountains and trails
#5 years ago I on HCS I asked if anyone knew fish creek road outta lolo hot springs and you said I do ( you were brother breeze then and I ZLZEBUB)....and posted a pic of said road...since that road starts just outside lolo hot springs resort and don and linda stoen owned it for years and rented sleds and stuff....I again assumed you knew what your were talking about....but since you don't know the stoens I suspect you know squat about lolo resort and the people...you sure don't know chicken hawk since I asked you that before and he was the bars drunk for years and years...anyone riding lolo would know the stoens and chicken hawk.....so ya...I take back anything I said aboot you knowing mountain riding and machines, I guess I assumed you were something other than just a Midwesterner....so ya...I wont be bothering you again for knowledge as I see your just a DIAMOND POUNDER at heart....peace out WEEZY....and the forum members and ability.....ya....its evident how much they know by all the good answers about the tech talk stuff in here....NOT

you are a real hunk of work . I would put a solid 30k on the fact breeze can out ride your delusialal self infalated web persona

 

[frnash]

and FR NASH....reading a sled track is like this … yadda......yadda yadda..........yadda....yadda........yadda … hope this clarifies it

I guess ya missed it, Tracker, it was all bout this:

I didn't read all of this tread [sic] but did anyone say at what point the Manufacturers claimed ski stance width is measured at? …

Specifically: "I didn't read all of this tread …" vs. "I didn't read all of this thread …".
Capeesh? ( Or more accurately: Capisci? … or maybe: Hai capito? )

 

[dmsrx]

I chewed on that for aboot 7 seconds then reread this part...then I read somtin else since this wasn't cuttin it jethro

from ride ht to full compression no change

PS...please tell me your not a drive train don't change with lug heights guy?.....DOH

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ya he didn't think that thru....and remember...A-ARMS are from the UNSERS and INDY CAR DESIGNS....it widens as you go around the bend to hold the car on the track at 200mph...one down and one up....but widen it does

Funny reading through this. You guys would be better off just riding your sleds and enjoying them.
And no the track width on an Indycar doesn't change as it goes through the "bend" at Indy. It's already on the deck and the suspension is designed to not swing in an arc in the amount of travel an Indycar has.