Picked up my new INDY XC 850 from Pats last weekend!!

[ICT Sledder]

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I'm not sure what they mean by "dealer prep", but about half of those "dealer prep" numbers are worse than stock.

"Pay us money folks, and our experts will happily mod and adjust your sled so that it is slower than when it came out of the shipping crate!" LOL!

On a serious note, anyone know why the AC 9000 and Yam Sidewinder have such a big difference in numbers? The Yamaha clutching that much worse? Isn't that the primary (only?) difference really, when it comes to putting power down between the two?

 

[slimcake]

I'm telling ya boys I think shes the real deal. 4 year warranty as well!!

 

[snoden]

Copied from another site, what it sounds like to me is I wouldn't put a lot of faith in those shootout numbers...way to many variables.

Before I get going on this… Everyone needs to chill the ‘F’ out! I was helping the Excell Team getting the SRX ready and I will let you all know what really happen. First… The track was NOT in perfect condition when the SRX ran, that statement is totally ridiculous. The track and starting line had 18 runs on it when we ran the 19th run. Yes, it ‘was’ in good/great condition for the sleds with the 1-1/4” track with correct stud length in the 600 and even 800 classes with the Polaris 800 at 100.22mph (impressive). But, on the run 19th (after the 850’s, Doo Turbo and Cat Turbo ran) the SRX ran in the same spot we put it in last year when we ran 107+ mph last year. Remember last year, Excell Motorsports had a better ET in dealer prep over box stock, one of the few. After the 18 sleds ran the 3~4 in base of snow was gone! And, there it was…. 3~4” of beautiful sky blue ice showing itself at the staring line. The SRX 1” track… 1.175” Gold Digger Trail Stud supplied by Woody’s did not have a chance. Not our call… Woody’s was the sponsor, but for the life of me can’t understand why they decided to send these over and I’m a huge fan of Woody’s products. 2nd run we did get a break and find ‘the spot’ on the 20th run getting the sled to our goal of 110+ mph. After that... the starting line went away quick, real quick, because EVERYONE settled on the left side of the track after watching the 110+ mph run, so it was a gamble depending on where you were in the order. The SRX ran 19th and 20th (out of box) and 39th and 40th (Dealer Prep). The SRX needed just a little more bite (and luck) with a better stud for that starting line that developed for the first 60ft.

Dealer Prep - No clutching was done other than soften up the belt deflection, softened up the skid and pulled the blocks. That’s it… This is the same changes many of us all make when we get our SW. So the claim of not letting Excell touch your sled should be retracted immediately. Excell has one of the best shops in the east coast with a passion for Yamaha Snowmobiling. If all of you don’t see that then you’re a damn fool! Here’s a fun fact for all of you who want to have the inside scoop… the first set of studs that were supplied were the 1.075 length. We could not even get the nut on the stud because it was too short when pushed through the track. Woodys was afraid that if triggers were sent at 1.477” that the SRX would have too much advantage... Also, did anyone ask or observe why the 850 Polaris did not dominate it’s little brother the Pol-800cc sled on all of it’s runs? Starting line! Short trail studs don’t work on 4" of chewed up ice starting line with minimal snow…! It was like running at your local lake or pond with 1" of snow on ice that rutted up quickly. The SRX is a rocket and we all know it’s going to run and handle great and wish all of the SRX owners out there the best, this sled is truly a rocket and lives up the SRX name.

 

[snoden]

I'm not sure what they mean by "dealer prep", but about half of those "dealer prep" numbers are worse than stock.

"Pay us money folks, and our experts will happily mod and adjust your sled so that it is slower than when it came out of the shipping crate!" LOL!

On a serious note, anyone know why the AC 9000 and Yam Sidewinder have such a big difference in numbers? The Yamaha clutching that much worse? Isn't that the primary (only?) difference really, when it comes to putting power down between the two?

AC uses team Arctic clutches, primary and secondary and they are geared different as well. Yamaha use there own primary and roller secondary. The AC 9000 was used with the 1 1/4" track because the new Thunder cats are slow getting to dealers, most wont get any until later this month. The T cat is the same set up as the new SRX, 1" track, on the fly adjustable shocks, lowered suspensions....all for speed.

 

[G]

Yes the shootouts are all basically a joke. You don't put 1.175 studs in a 1 inch track. You have wasted your time and money. The SRX is going to be fast on the lakes and straights but the 1 inch track is not going to be nearly enough on a normal trail. Unless a person spends all his time lurking on lakes and straightaways it is a very one dimensional sled. Do not understand why Yami went that route. They should have just cranked up the turbo a little to 220 horse or so and stayed with the '18 shock configurations. You cant even get QS3rs on a 19 Sidewinder. Dumb.

 

[mrbb]

nice sled, was at local dealer yesterday and they have a few 850's in, and man there nice looking sleds in all forms IMO
wish I had more money to upgrade LOL

 

[snoden]

Totally agree Grub! I'll keep my 18 LTX LE 50th! You know though a lot of guys love that SRX name plate and what it stands for...King of speed. My sled has more power and speed than I really need but yet many are tuning these things up close to 300hp and more, mine is stock and 200+hp is more than enough.

Yes the shootouts are all basically a joke. You don't put 1.175 studs in a 1 inch track. You have wasted your time and money. The SRX is going to be fast on the lakes and straights but the 1 inch track is not going to be nearly enough on a normal trail. Unless a person spends all his time lurking on lakes and straightaways it is a very one dimensional sled. Do not understand why Yami went that route. They should have just cranked up the turbo a little to 220 horse or so and stayed with the '18 shock configurations. You cant even get QS3rs on a 19 Sidewinder. Dumb.

 

[1fujifilm]

Yeah, well now what fuji??? Your going to have to get rid of that Poo 800, and slip onto a new Poo850??? Ha, ha, I knew that not selling til March would not stand long!!!

I'd like a chance to ride the dang 800, nothing but mid-30's the next 7 days..BUNK!


Maybe.
If they are $9,500 in March.

Bear

 

[POLARISDAN]

my only observation is why move the indy name from the entry level 600 to this massive powerful sled..i dont get it..why not a new brand and name?

 

[snobuilder]

Yes the shootouts are all basically a joke. You don't put 1.175 studs in a 1 inch track. You have wasted your time and money. The SRX is going to be fast on the lakes and straights but the 1 inch track is not going to be nearly enough on a normal trail. Unless a person spends all his time lurking on lakes and straightaways it is a very one dimensional sled. Do not understand why Yami went that route. They should have just cranked up the turbo a little to 220 horse or so and stayed with the '18 shock configurations. You cant even get QS3rs on a 19 Sidewinder. Dumb.

I just installed 1.325 Woodys Sig. on a 1.25 ripsaw and get at least 3/8" penetration....is that wrong?

I also have 1.175 stud boys ready to be installed into a 1" hack saw....the few I tested with show 7/16" penetration so whats wrong with that as well?

The 1.175 Stud boys are aprox. 1/16" shorter than the woodys 1.325 so there is discrepancy between mannies as well.

 

[kip]

Matt, thank you for the kind words and I'm glad you're pumped with the new 850! We're humbled you travel so far to do business with us. Ryan was hoping you would make it one more night but a guy can only take so many days in the U.P.! LOL!!! Enjoy buddy!!!

 

[snobuilder]

my only observation is why move the indy name from the entry level 600 to this massive powerful sled..i dont get it..why not a new brand and name?

Entry level?....there is a 550 fanner Indy for that but 2013 to 2018 Indys have the 800 as well ….not that big a leap to the 850....in fact the box stock 800 ran the numbers at the shootout with the lowest et., beating out both the 850's!
Biggest diff with the 2019 Indy "XC" is obviously new 850 if you want it and being in the new high end chassis front and rear.

 

[G]

I just installed 1.325 Woodys Sig. on a 1.25 ripsaw and get at least 3/8" penetration....is that wrong?

I also have 1.175 stud boys ready to be installed into a 1" hack saw....the few I tested with show 7/16" penetration so whats wrong with that as well?

The 1.175 Stud boys are aprox. 1/16" shorter than the woodys 1.325 so there is discrepancy between mannies as well.

You are measuring penetration quite a bit differently than is generally accepted. If you are figuring 7/16 penetration with a 1.175 stud on a 1 inch track I want some of what you are smoking. When I stud my 1.25 Rip I will be going with nothing less than 1.45s. There are a lot of guys using 1.5 Triggers on the 1.25 Ripsaw. If you are going to bother to stud make it worthwhile.

 

[snobuilder]

You are measuring penetration quite a bit differently than is generally accepted. If you are figuring 7/16 penetration with a 1.175 stud on a 1 inch track I want some of what you are smoking. When I stud my 1.25 Rip I will be going with nothing less than 1.45s. There are a lot of guys using 1.5 Triggers on the 1.25 Ripsaw. If you are going to bother to stud make it worthwhile.

You do realize the overall length of the labeled 1.175" stud by stud boy is more like 1.6" right?
AND all stud mannies don't use the same standard when naming their stud length.
I will post a pic when I get to studding up the hacksaw.

From the studs I have sitting on the bench ….Woodys and Stud Boy measure nearly the same way.

And then there is the listed lug height to figure in. The 1" hack and 1.25" rip saw are only .18" diff.

 

[ICT Sledder]

my only observation is why move the indy name from the entry level 600 to this massive powerful sled..i dont get it..why not a new brand and name?

It is weird what Polaris has done with that nameplate recently. When they brought it back a number of years ago it was for a very no-frills economy sled, but today has just morphed into being their trail line with the traditional tunnel and rear suspension. Strange branding decision.

 

[slimcake]

Matt, thank you for the kind words and I'm glad you're pumped with the new 850! We're humbled you travel so far to do business with us. Ryan was hoping you would make it one more night but a guy can only take so many days in the U.P.! LOL!!! Enjoy buddy!!!

If it wasn't year end I woulda stayed Kip. This is a busy time of year for me. Gotta pay for that 850!! Thanks again!!

 

[snobuilder]

It is weird what Polaris has done with that nameplate recently. When they brought it back a number of years ago it was for a very no-frills economy sled, but today has just morphed into being their trail line with the traditional tunnel and rear suspension. Strange branding decision.

Indy was never in anything OTHER than a traditional tunnel so no morphing going on there....LOL....
we have the plain "Indy", then the Indy SP with better shocks and now the 129" Indy XC with the "best" suspension so far....so the morphing was simply to a longer track and better shocks in the AXYS platform.

 

[ICT Sledder]

Indy was never in anything OTHER than a traditional tunnel so no morphing going on there....LOL....
we have the plain "Indy", then the Indy SP with better shocks and now the 129" Indy XC with the "best" suspension so far....so the morphing was simply to a longer track and better shocks in the AXYS platform.

I know. What I meant is it went from one bare bones sled into an entire trail line that happens to be Pol’s traditional tunnel line. That’s sorta strange from a marketing perspective. Doesn’t happen very often.

 

[1fujifilm]

I just installed 1.325 Woodys Sig. on a 1.25 ripsaw and get at least 3/8" penetration....is that wrong?

No!

After watching years of the NFL, I can say the more penetration the better.

Bear

 

[1fujifilm]

my only observation is why move the indy name from the entry level 600 to this massive powerful sled..i dont get it..why not a new brand and name?

I agree, these snowmobile marketers don't know POOP (that's putting it mildly) and the CMO's should be fired immediately!
Ski-Doo is the worst (even though I like Doo sleds), they continually send me emails about either snowcross winnings or mountain sleds (the really long tracks) and I live in Green Bay, WI. OMG, send me an email that has a call to action and will actually make the manufacturer money. I mean, I have bought and registered over 20 sleds since 1993 and they still haven't figured out my age, where I live or my interests? A ton of lost opportunity and moronic behaviour (that's a Canadien "yes Canadien" spelling of behavior), it's almost 2020 for Poop sakes.

Ok, back to the P.D. observation; I agree with him. As you know I bought a new Polaris Pro-S this year after many years with Doo. I certainly looked over the Polaris offering of sleds for the past 5 years to make this decision and visually see the Indy as an outdated sled and quite ugly with it's rear bars holding the seat up (boy racer my ***).
Now, Polaris wants to call its newest tech and missile an Indy? Being in an age group (45-64) that can actually afford the highest end sled that Polaris offers, the name Indy conjures up two things; ugly Indys of recent memory and old *** sleds from the 1997 era.

I officially put all sled manufacturers on notice, get your head out of your *** and keep sledding alive!

P.S., don't get me started about how Polaris screwed their Dealers by offering small rebates from 2015-spring 2018 while Doo kicked there *** offering double the rebates leaving Dealers sitting on mounds of inventory and debt!

Bear

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If it wasn't year end I woulda stayed Kip. This is a busy time of year for me. Gotta pay for that 850!! Thanks again!!

Interestingly enough, our Org has year end September 30 and it works great being a sledder. All year end Accounting is wrapped up in October and results are posted soon after. Heck, we have already seen the first draft of our FY'18 audit.
Thoughts of budgeting doesn't begin until March 2019 for FY'20.

Bear