Polaris Chaincase Oil Question?

eao

Active member
Polaris (also Arctic Cat)lubes are bottled by a company called Lube-Tech. They are a oil provider serving the small engine and power sports industry. They blend it, bottle it, distribute it and the OEM's set the prices.

The OEM's want you to think its special but in reality is likely no better than any other oil found on the shelves of the discount stores.

In other words, they are taking generic oils bottling for oem's who are selling them at a premium.
 

booondocker

New member
"My favorite is the guy who will spend $10,500.00 on a sled and then spend 3 hours researching how to save $10.00 on oil, damn accountants and engineers. (Pun intended)"

If you make it sound complicated enough the 50 cent can of oil the manufacturer puts out that costs $20 will put money in the pocket of the dealer right? Today's oil is not yesterdays oil. The worst stuff is 50 times better than the best of the old stuff....take it from there.

"Engine oil is not extreme pressure" So what is happening at the crankshaft and piston rod bearings is "light duty" eh?? Do you know that oil will break down the chain/sprocket/bearings by wear or too much pressure?? Lots of fooweee in the lubrication business too...that's why one claims better than another, but is made by the same company who puts different labels on it.

While it is definitely true that because some have never had a break down by using xyz oil instead of the "real McCoy" stuff that costs 10 times more, one could also say that despite using the expensive spread, they still had to replace the parts in the chain case after awhile and for all they know, the stuff that the manufacturers use is sub-par and designed to bring in business to the back room of the dealership. Conversely, maybe the other stuff would have worked better...who's to say?

"They spend millions on researching this stuff."

On this one...I am pretty sure that we can say that NO sled company spends money on this...they don't spend it on testing the sled let alone doing lubricant tests. More likely they go to the chart see what fits the application and call the oil company to make up a batch with their private label on it and charge the crap out of people for it over the next 20 years.

As I said before....lots of guys are afraid to get their car oil changed at anything but a dealership...cause yeah just can't trust anybody else to do it right...for them, go for it...for everyone else....the driveway ramps work just fine and save a nickle in this day of trying to save a dime. But hey...who am I to say....all annal persons form a line on the right...everyone else on the left...time to get the H1 shots...let's see who drops first!
 

eao

Active member
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There is a big difference between an engine and a gear case.

In an engine oil is forced between the metal surfaces by the oil pump and it maintains that pressure, not so in a axle or chaincase or differential. If the oil, ATF etc does not have extreme pressure additives (and they don't because they are not needed) the gears/chains meshing will force the lube out and there will be margin protection. There is no oil pump pushing the oil between the metal surfaces to protect them.

Research has shown that NO motor oils contain extreme pressure additives presently. This includes major motor oil company’s petroleum and synthetic products as well as specialty synthetic motor oil producers such as Amsoil® , Redline®, and Royal Purple®.
 

vx700xtc

Member
How long do you think the oil in your chain case stays cold? Ride your sled about 10 miles, stop, and feel your case,, cold?? no.
Had many sleds over 10000 miles, always used gear oil, used to use 85-140, now I mostly use 75-90. Never replaced a chain, or bearings in a chain case.
 

anonomoose

New member
VX, this is my point. Like your car or truck or ATV, sled...weedwhacker....all are pretty functional on nearly anything made because nearly all of this stuff is pretty high tech, has great lubricating capacity, and corrosion protection. All this in a fairly low tech application, you probably could use ear wax and be fine!
 

vw56german

New member
Ok, lets look at an automotive example that is similar to a chain case.

It has been stated that there is a big difference between an engine and a gear case. True, but lets look under the timing cover and see the chain and gear set there that get oil slung or sprayed on them. No extreme presure lubricant needed here and chains last many 10's of thousands of miles, often very loose. Not properly adujusted as we keep our drive chains.

My biggest concern about what kind of oil to use would be: Will it leak out of a seal because it is too thin for the application. I have seen leaks created from changing to synthetic oils where conventional was specified. I dont see where there is a need for any high tech lubricant in this area, unless specified by the manufacturer.
 

polarisrider1

New member
no, just use the recomended stuff and be done with it. These oil questions always get beat to death with no real winners. Your minds are made up before you type. any oil is better than no oil.
 

doo_dr

New member
This is a slippery thread LOL!!! I like the timing change comparison. They are identical in style and application. But on the other side I do not think it takes 100hp to turn a cam and heat builds on stressing metal. Standard or synthetic doesn't really matter in a chanincase but for one reason. Temp flow. I personally use the standard Amsoil 75-90 gearlube and have been satified for years. I figure that a smart sledder lets his entire sled warm up before hamering on it so you don't really need to worry about gear case oil flow unless you are ram roding a cold sled. If you do, you'll probably have to contend with cold seizing before chaincase failure. Remember that the chain case oil process is a bathing/slinging process. If you have oil leaks it's not from the type of oil used. Think of it as a water resistant jacket compared to a waterproof jacket. By the way. Manuals don't give specs other than OEM because they want you to buy their pretty package!!! I used cooking oil in our watercross sled. It was pretty cool to dump it (the sled) and when you opened the chain case the water and oil had already seperated like a salad dressing.
 

aesynthetics

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What cih7250 said! For $4.55 a 12oz. bottle you can't go wrong. I can set you up as a preferred customer if you wish. I used to have lube expansion, heat and exterior residue on various sleds, not anymore! Also got tired of the price at the dealerships. Check out "A study of automotive gear lubes" and after you'll wonder why everyone isn't running Amsoil gear lubricants and oils.<font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font><font color="ff0000">&#149;</font>
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vw56german

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Hmm, waste oil.... I bet you could get a sweet synthetic blend that way. Something like: 0w-5w-10w-15w-20w-30w-40-50w-80w-90w-115 Talk about all weather!
 

obob

Member
Quite honestly, I think most Vehicles have had Timing Belts for probably more than 20 Years now and No oil for lube. Hum ?
 
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