polaris warranty

indy_500

Well-known member
does amsoil count as an "other" oil then???

........and from my understanding of the law "if a brand says you HAVE to run a certin oil then they neeed to fernish you with that said oil"

here right from there website.......


If you are interested in using AMSOIL motor oil, but concerned that using a synthetic oil or extending your oil drain interval will void his warranty, you have no need for concern. Congress in 1975 enacted the federal Magnuson-Moss Act to regulate written consumer product warranties. An examination of the law reveals warranties remain intact when AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants are used.

The law was meant to give consumers detailed information about warranty coverage before they buy.

Congress charged the Federal Trade Commission with creation of the specifics of the law.

The FTC set down three rules under the Act: the Disclosure Rule, the Pre-Sale Availability Rule and the Dispute Resolution Rule.

Those rules require warrantors to title their written warranty as either full or limited, provide a single, clear and easy-to-read document that spells out certain information about coverage and ensure that warranties are available where the products are sold so that consumers can read them before buying.

In passing the Act, Congress meant to give consumers access to warranty information, let consumers comparison shop for warranties, encourage warranty competition and promote timely and complete performance of warranty obligations.

While the Magnuson-Moss Act does not require manufacturers to provide a written warranty, it provides specific rules when one is provided. Among those provisions, FTC regulations state: (c) No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. (15 U.S.C.2302(C))

That means your warranty stands when you use AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants.

Vehicle manufacturers recommend lubricants according to their viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether it's conventional petroleum motor oil or synthetic, meeting the correct viscosity grade, 5W-30 for example, and the current API and ILSAC North American service classifications may be used without affecting warranty coverage. AMSOIL motor oils are recommended for use in applications requiring these specifications.

Furthermore, the practice of extending oil drain intervals does not void warranties. Original equipment manufacturers pay or deny warranty claims based on the findings of failure analysis. To affect the vehicle warranty, the lubricant must be directly responsible for the failure. If the oil didn't cause the problem the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of brand or length of time in use.

Synthetic motor oil was introduced to the automotive public in 1972 by AMSOIL, INC., with the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil specially formulated for long service and superior performance and protection to that of conventional oils.

Nearly 40 years ago, AMSOIL synthetics represented a vision of the future and technology ahead of their time. Since then, every major engine oil manufacturer has introduced synthetic oils of their own. To be sure, many original equipment manufacturers would like you to believe you can only use their products. However, it's a violation of the consumer protections set forth in the Magnuson-Moss Act, unless they're willing to provide you those products free of charge.

AMSOIL offers a warranty that covers the cost of repair or replacement of a proven mechanically sound engine damaged as a result of using AMSOIL synthetic motor oil. However, it has never happened. Decades of experience proves AMSOIL can be installed in any vehicle with complete confidence.

AMSOIL further backs its products with action when a Dealer or customer reports being told their warranty is voided if they use synthetics.

If you have heard from any member of a business that the use of AMSOIL Motor Oil or the practice of extending drain intervals will void warranties, send AMSOIL all the details including the name of the business, business owner or manager and the individual making the claims, in a signed and dated letter. Send the letter to the Technical Services Department at corporate headquarters and an AMSOIL representative will send them a letter explaining the facts.

Access to the complete Magnuson-Moss Act is available on the Internet by key words Magnuson-Moss Act or Federal Trade Commission.

wow i actually read that whole thing! Good info firecatguy!
 
well of course there is FIRECATGUYS world....on paper...then theres the real world which the rest of us belong to.....heres what you do XCR and FIRECAT....take a copy of your MAGNUSON SHAFT LAW into the dealership....but not until you've gone into the pantry and got some yellow vegetable oil...then add it to your blue polarious oil.....so that is AQUA colored....then tell them you motor doen and needs warranty work.....use AMSOIL if you like.....the blue and purple will make black.....then when you open the MAGNUSON SHAFT AWARD PDF together and start reading it you will come a section in POLARIOUS's warranty that reads like this....

Warranty Coverage and Exclusions
Warranty does not cover:
Accidental damage, normal wear and tear, abuse or improper handling, and excludes any failures that are not caused by a defect in material or workmanship.
Any product that has been altered structurally, modified in any way, neglected, improperly maintained, used for racing, or used for purposes other than for which it was manufactured.
Any damage which may occur during trailer transit or as a result of unauthorized service or the use of unauthorized parts or lubricants.
The warranty does not reimburse for work completed by an unauthorized service center.
This warranty does not reimburse for transportation expenses, use of a rental vehicle, time missed from work or vacation, or for downtime experienced due to service work.
This warranty does not guarantee the workmanship of an independent business, such as a Polaris dealer.




after you 2 look at each other when you get to the section of THEIR WARRANTY OVERRIDES of the MAGNUSON SHAFTER AWARD that clearly states.......UNAUTHORIZED LUBRICANTS


then you both say it together....

UNAUTHORIZED LUBRICANTS

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/OurCompany/ContactUs/Pages/Faq.aspx


then he goes in the back and gets the OIL COLOR CHART and dips some of yours on it......then look at each other again....now smile.....now bend down and hold yer ankles.....DONT LOOK UP....DONT LOOK.....it will be just like a prostate examine....it am gonna be fun

go try that with a 2009 and tell us how the PAPER (MAGNUSON BEAVER ACT vs. the DEALERSHIP GUY (the guy who pays for the **** and does the work).......please let us know how it goes......i need a good laugh.....we all do
 

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snow_monkey

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I have watched two brand new sleds blow up within the first 500 miles. For two strokes I would purchase if it was within reason and would pass and take my chances with a four stroke. The warranty should read 5 minutes or 5 feet whichever comes first.
 
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Firecatguy

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well of course there is FIRECATGUYS world....on paper...then theres the real world which the rest of us belong to.....heres what you do XCR and FIRECAT....take a copy of your MAGNUSON SHAFT LAW into the dealership....but not until you've gone into the pantry and got some yellow vegetable oil...then add it to your blue polarious oil.....so that is AQUA colored....then tell them you motor doen and needs warranty work.....use AMSOIL if you like.....the blue and purple will make black.....then when you open the MAGNUSON SHAFT AWARD PDF together and start reading it you will come a section in POLARIOUS's warranty that reads like this....

Warranty Coverage and Exclusions
Warranty does not cover:
Accidental damage, normal wear and tear, abuse or improper handling, and excludes any failures that are not caused by a defect in material or workmanship.
Any product that has been altered structurally, modified in any way, neglected, improperly maintained, used for racing, or used for purposes other than for which it was manufactured.
Any damage which may occur during trailer transit or as a result of unauthorized service or the use of unauthorized parts or lubricants.
The warranty does not reimburse for work completed by an unauthorized service center.
This warranty does not reimburse for transportation expenses, use of a rental vehicle, time missed from work or vacation, or for downtime experienced due to service work.
This warranty does not guarantee the workmanship of an independent business, such as a Polaris dealer.




after you 2 look at each other when you get to the section of THEIR WARRANTY OVERRIDES of the MAGNUSON SHAFTER AWARD that clearly states.......UNAUTHORIZED LUBRICANTS


then you both say it together....

UNAUTHORIZED LUBRICANTS

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/OurCompany/ContactUs/Pages/Faq.aspx


then he goes in the back and gets the OIL COLOR CHART and dips some of yours on it......then look at each other again....now smile.....now bend down and hold yer ankles.....DONT LOOK UP....DONT LOOK.....it will be just like a prostate examine....it am gonna be fun

go try that with a 2009 and tell us how the PAPER (MAGNUSON BEAVER ACT vs. the DEALERSHIP GUY (the guy who pays for the **** and does the work).......please let us know how it goes......i need a good laugh.....we all do

wow YOUR LOUD........have a nice day..........FAIL IS RIGHT...LOL

oh ya i dont bend over for anyone.....maybe you do? but i dont.......you funny guy....funny guy



from the amsoil Lawyers

"If you have heard from any member of a business that the use of AMSOIL Motor Oil or the practice of extending drain intervals will void warranties, send AMSOIL all the details including the name of the business, business owner or manager and the individual making the claims, in a signed and dated letter. Send the letter to the Technical Services Department at corporate headquarters and an AMSOIL representative will send them a letter explaining the facts."

Access to the complete Magnuson-Moss Act is available on the Internet by key words Magnuson-Moss Act or Federal Trade Commission.

and for you to use the analogy of vegetable oil just shows alot!!!
 
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xcr440

Well-known member
well of course there is FIRECATGUYS world....on paper...then theres the real world which the rest of us belong to.....heres what you do XCR and FIRECAT....take a copy of your MAGNUSON SHAFT LAW into the dealership....but not until you've gone into the pantry and got some yellow vegetable oil...then add it to your blue polarious oil.....so that is AQUA colored....then tell them you motor doen and needs warranty work.....use AMSOIL if you like.....the blue and purple will make black.....then when you open the MAGNUSON SHAFT AWARD PDF together and start reading it you will come a section in POLARIOUS's warranty that reads like this....

Warranty Coverage and Exclusions
Warranty does not cover:
Accidental damage, normal wear and tear, abuse or improper handling, and excludes any failures that are not caused by a defect in material or workmanship.
Any product that has been altered structurally, modified in any way, neglected, improperly maintained, used for racing, or used for purposes other than for which it was manufactured.
Any damage which may occur during trailer transit or as a result of unauthorized service or the use of unauthorized parts or lubricants.
The warranty does not reimburse for work completed by an unauthorized service center.
This warranty does not reimburse for transportation expenses, use of a rental vehicle, time missed from work or vacation, or for downtime experienced due to service work.
This warranty does not guarantee the workmanship of an independent business, such as a Polaris dealer.




after you 2 look at each other when you get to the section of THEIR WARRANTY OVERRIDES of the MAGNUSON SHAFTER AWARD that clearly states.......UNAUTHORIZED LUBRICANTS


then you both say it together....

UNAUTHORIZED LUBRICANTS

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/OurCompany/ContactUs/Pages/Faq.aspx


then he goes in the back and gets the OIL COLOR CHART and dips some of yours on it......then look at each other again....now smile.....now bend down and hold yer ankles.....DONT LOOK UP....DONT LOOK.....it will be just like a prostate examine....it am gonna be fun

go try that with a 2009 and tell us how the PAPER (MAGNUSON BEAVER ACT vs. the DEALERSHIP GUY (the guy who pays for the **** and does the work).......please let us know how it goes......i need a good laugh.....we all do

Here, call this, and take your fail sign and stick you know where:

K & M SALES & SERVICE
124 MOORS ST
HANCOCK, WI 54943
715-249-5477
 

Firecatguy

New member
funny thing is i have been down this road....and guess what!!!!I got A motor after the dealer tried that one!!!!but I must be wrong professor PC said so.........
 
go ask em if he gave you a motor because of the MAGNUSON SHAFT ACT or bacause FIRECATGUY buys alot of new sleds from him and might become a ***** for his business if he dont


then read this paragraph....it give the MANU's the RIGHT to dictate which oil you use during the warranty period....the mag act is just to make sure that the wording of the warranties is readable and understandable to ALL STOOGES....FYI.....they used to rip people off with warranties wording


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubricant

Specifications often denote a minimum acceptable performance levels. Thus many equipment manufacturers add on their own particular requirements or tighten the tolerance on a general specification to meet their particular needs (or doing a different set of tests or using different/own testbed engine). This gives the lubricant marketer an avenue to differentiate their product by designing it to meet an OEM specification. Often, the OEM carries out extensive testing and maintains an active list of approved products.This is a powerful marketing tool in the lubricant marketplace. Text on the back of the motor oil label usually has a list of conformity to some OEM specifications, such as MB, MAN, Volvo, Cummins, VW, BMW or others. Manufactures may have vastly different specifications for the range of engines they make; one may not be completely suitable for some other.


clues are highlited with bold....wesley snipes thought he could not pay taxes either because the law states....you dont have to.....but it also says....if you choose not to and are found to OWE then you can be subject to fines and or jail.....guess which rule overrides which rule.....good thing you dudes arent lawyers....POLARIOUS would be hosed by now and made in CHINA fer sure if ya was
 

eao

Active member
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act ONLY pertains to OEM factory warranty that is provided as a condition of sale with a new product. IT DOES NOT include extra cost extended warranties BECAUSE the are not warranties, they are service contracts.


Every manufacturer that makes equipment with an engine has its own name on an oil bottle. That includes all the major auto manufacturers, the makers of motorcycles, ATV's, snowmobiles, farm equipment, you name it, they all have oils. But none of these equipment manufacturers actually make an oil. They sell oil to make more money, and then they often price these oils well above the going rate for competitive lubricants because, like Polaris, they can specify or create the impression that only their oil be used in their equipment.
 
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snowbuff

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How long are you giong to keep the sleds? If you do get the warranty, get it to last one year longer than you plan on keeping them. That way you can use it as a selling tool.
 
Every manufacturer that makes equipment with an engine has its own name on an oil bottle. That includes all the major auto manufacturers, the makers of motorcycles, ATV's, snowmobiles, farm equipment, you name it, they all have oils. But none of these equipment manufacturers actually make an oil. They sell oil to make more money, and then they often price these oils well above the going rate for competitive lubricants because, like Polaris, they can specify or create the impression that only their oil be used in their equipment.[/QUOTE]

After the above thoughts I'm really worried now Professor PC, I don't use Ford oil in my Ford and I don't use GM oil in my Suburban. Should I kill myself or just know that I'm using an oil that is required in the owners manual. Gosh I hope they don't rape me like they do to you.

This thread is really funny to watch.

Skylar - I use Amsoil in my Jetski and S&S in my sled. ;)
 
Nothing, you are always right. You know all, and we shouldn't be questioning anything you say here.

BTW, how much oil has spilled into the gulf compared to the Exxon Valdez?

only aboot half the amount.....case in point....still cleaning beaches from EXXON 15 years afterwards.....most beaches slightly polluted with tar balls form this one, water around has almost none on it now.....why? the exxons was already 10 times thicker and cleaner and pure.....this was way diluted with methane and all kinds of other stuff.....not pure.....more muddy.....spill will be cleaned up in about 1 year compared to 15.....so you tell us which one

not always right.....just trying to help out some of the sledders who might follow your LAME ADVICE and get ripped off


and OH TEALRACING16....i use other oils myself as well like AMSOIL....only i dont use until a NEW SLEDS WARRANTY has expired so its covered and i dont have to jack around with law suits and angry dealers and many phone calls all for different colored oil that was made by the same company as the OEM's......just to save 75 dollars over 3 years.....no thanks.....i'll stick with CAT APV OIL in my sled.....13,500 miles with no rebuild and only 3 valve cleanings and 3 plug changes....the others with aftermarket oil in them need cleaned all the time and rebuilt.....the OEM's do extensive testing ON THEIR OWN ENGINES and which oil to use in it....INCLUDING AMSOIL....you cannot be so clueless to think the OEM's dont try aftermarket oils in the tests....if it was superior oil....now think about this.....DONT YOU THINK THEY WOULD OF BOUGHT THAT COMPANY OUT or put the use of that oil in their warranty then?????? eh?

can you guys say.....BUFFALO'ed
 

polarisrider1

New member
Im must have a great Dealer. They question very little and fix everything for me. Problem is (sorry Skylar) I use Amsoil and never an engine failure, I use aftermarket parts yet never void my warranty/service contract. Why? Maybe luck? maybe because I drop huge loads of money at this Great dealer and they will fix all perils and do up the paper work to cover me? I don't know and don't care. I am covered. period. Back to the issue. It is a roll of the dice and both You and the warranty/ service contract sales people are banking on nothing happening to the sled. If a sled model has issues (they know which ones they are) buy it, if you choose to own such model for your own peace of mind. Most normally with a vehicle it is a waste of money. BUT, with Polaris's most recent track record of sled issues than I would say yes, buy it. Do your homework, not all dealers, sleds or warranties are created equal. Most likely if you buy it you will never use it. If you don't you will wish you did. That is how my life goes.
 

xcr440

Well-known member
only aboot half the amount.....case in point....still cleaning beaches from EXXON 15 years afterwards.....most beaches slightly polluted with tar balls form this one, water around has almost none on it now.....why? the exxons was already 10 times thicker and cleaner and pure.....this was way diluted with methane and all kinds of other stuff.....not pure.....more muddy.....spill will be cleaned up in about 1 year compared to 15.....so you tell us which one

not always right.....just trying to help out some of the sledders who might follow your LAME ADVICE and get ripped off


and OH TEALRACING16....i use other oils myself as well like AMSOIL....only i dont use until a NEW SLEDS WARRANTY has expired so its covered and i dont have to jack around with law suits and angry dealers and many phone calls all for different colored oil that was made by the same company as the OEM's......just to save 75 dollars over 3 years.....no thanks.....i'll stick with CAT APV OIL in my sled.....13,500 miles with no rebuild and only 3 valve cleanings and 3 plug changes....the others with aftermarket oil in them need cleaned all the time and rebuilt.....the OEM's do extensive testing ON THEIR OWN ENGINES and which oil to use in it....INCLUDING AMSOIL....you cannot be so clueless to think the OEM's dont try aftermarket oils in the tests....if it was superior oil....now think about this.....DONT YOU THINK THEY WOULD OF BOUGHT THAT COMPANY OUT or put the use of that oil in their warranty then?????? eh?

can you guys say.....BUFFALO'ed

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sheesh, and a rule breaker all in the same blow! (Of course, I'm not the judge of that)
 
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eao

Active member
DONT YOU THINK THEY WOULD OF BOUGHT THAT COMPANY OUT or put the use of that oil in their warranty then?????? eh?


Unbelievable logic.
No they would not have bought out the company, what ever makes you think they want to do that when they have someone who does everything for them, blend, package, warehouse and ship to dealers, for pennies on the dollar.


Polaris would be wise to have AMSOIL make their lubes but it won't happen.

The fact is that Polaris, like so many other "oem brands" of oil, contract with one or more oil companies to make their lubricants. Often, the decision as to who actually makes a private labeled product is based on low bid, and like almost everything manufactured by a low bidder, short cuts are taken in order to meet the low price. I understand that Polaris has contracted with one company for a number of years to make their oil. That's good, but it still doesn't change the fact that they make snowmobiles, ATV, UTV etc, not oil.
 
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