So my club is in the process of calling landowners and apparently renters too for trail permission. I am wondering if other clubs pander to the renters of land and their needs. We just had one renter say that he does not want a snowmobile trail running on a winter wheat field that he planted this year. If the owner of the land says yes but the renter says no, who do you listen to? I am of the opinion that a renter has limited rights than that of someone who owns property. I don't think my club should be kissing butt to a renter. Wondering what other people think?
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polarisrider1
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I would side with the renter. landowners wants Club money for trail use too? Land Owner should of had a "set aside" agreement with renter so renter would not plant in that strip of land that the Owner and Club members marked off as trail before wheat was planted. Now your at the "Butt" kissing stage of the game for poor planning and communication between the Club, Land owner and renter..
HardwaterHoosier
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just relay the message to the landowner.
sounds like u may be marking and flagging off trail so his field wont get ruined.
I can tell u if u dont rope off the whole trail to the field and post winter wheat respect it or loose it u will loose that trail as long as the renter is there.some db will prob still go under rope.
we have one we work with land owner every few yrs to re route cuz of wheat.we tape off over a mi and a few bung holes still go under
I can tell u if u dont rope off the whole trail to the field and post winter wheat respect it or loose it u will loose that trail as long as the renter is there.some db will prob still go under rope.
we have one we work with land owner every few yrs to re route cuz of wheat.we tape off over a mi and a few bung holes still go under
I would be VERY careful with the renters wheat, with the costs of production ag today and commodity (grain) prices what they are you are flirting with disaster. The ammount of money involved with a crop in the field will mean lawsuit city if that crop is ruined, you know how it works renter sues owner then owner involves club ect... On e bad apple will screw it up for everyone. I would stay as far away for planted crop as you can.
polarisrider1
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Thank you! We pretty much lost huge sections of trail back when there was a trail over something very similair, along with Urban sprawl. Not much left of the once famous west Michigan Snowmobile trail that is just piece meal now.
You need the land owner and the Club trail guy to set up a meeting with the renter. Nothing like risking trail by doing your own thing.
EXCESSIVE FORCE
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Total agreement with the above 2 replies......
snowfreak56
Member
Have ya noticed when ya put a sign up to stay on trail or stay home that is where the tracks leave the trail.Some always have to be stupid..As far as the renter question i think you will find you need to keep him happy also he has the crop there and he can shut you down,,you are running over his crop not the land owners.
As a person who is a land owner who rents to a person, the rental contract will be very specific as to what and when the renter can/cannot do. Always check with the land owner, as they are ultimately responsible for the property, who will then give you the specifics of the contract agreement. Obviously, in an ideal world, both renter and owner will cooperate. If renter disagrees, contact owner and see if they can work something out. It depends on the relationship between the two. The renter may be temporary but the land owner is permanent.
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I would think the land owner is the guy that would make the decision and whom I would listen to. Would any contractors out there agree to do a new roof for the renter of a home without getting the ok from the homeowner first?
One word... Communication
That is what causes most problems in the world, actually the lack there of. The worst thing that I can think you could do is to leave the renter of the land out of the communication loop. I would go to the owner and communicate with him about the use of his land for the trail. Explain to him that the renter has planted winter wheat on the land used by the club and does not want sleds going across it. Let the landowner make a decision for or against, or perhaps a different route that would not cause damage. Then be sure that the renter knows about that decision from the landowner by informing the renter. If the renter has issues with the decision, he can take it up with the owner and any changes the owner makes would have to be conveyed to the club via the owner.
Keep all lines of communication open, that will insure the best chance of finding a workable solution for all involved.
Just my 2 cents.
-John
That is what causes most problems in the world, actually the lack there of. The worst thing that I can think you could do is to leave the renter of the land out of the communication loop. I would go to the owner and communicate with him about the use of his land for the trail. Explain to him that the renter has planted winter wheat on the land used by the club and does not want sleds going across it. Let the landowner make a decision for or against, or perhaps a different route that would not cause damage. Then be sure that the renter knows about that decision from the landowner by informing the renter. If the renter has issues with the decision, he can take it up with the owner and any changes the owner makes would have to be conveyed to the club via the owner.
Keep all lines of communication open, that will insure the best chance of finding a workable solution for all involved.
Just my 2 cents.
-John
and before u go to the owner think about and walk out alternative routs that may work out to stay away from field.
if u just go to the owner and say the renter paying him money mo after mo after mo dose not want u driving on his land for free or some piss ant gift card with out a poss alternative who would U side with?
Sorry I go with the monthly check not the freeloader every time.
when a guy who allows us to use his land started growing winter wheat for I think 2 yrs at a time every 4 yrs he first just said no use.but we had already walked out a alternative trail that involved some club work but no big thing and he was like sure if u want to clear it go for it.
if u just go to the owner and say the renter paying him money mo after mo after mo dose not want u driving on his land for free or some piss ant gift card with out a poss alternative who would U side with?
Sorry I go with the monthly check not the freeloader every time.
when a guy who allows us to use his land started growing winter wheat for I think 2 yrs at a time every 4 yrs he first just said no use.but we had already walked out a alternative trail that involved some club work but no big thing and he was like sure if u want to clear it go for it.
r/l groomer
Member
We work with both the land owner and renters, many of the the renters are land owners also for our area. When one farmer rents almost the whole sections in areas with them as landowners in others.
A good relationship with both parties is a must!!! It makes trail reroutes much simpler when we can talk to different landowners around a problem area for a yearly problem, like winter wheat or first year alfafa. We all work togther to solve the issue.
We are all set with landowners and reroutes for the season. Let it SNOW!!!
A good relationship with both parties is a must!!! It makes trail reroutes much simpler when we can talk to different landowners around a problem area for a yearly problem, like winter wheat or first year alfafa. We all work togther to solve the issue.
We are all set with landowners and reroutes for the season. Let it SNOW!!!
polarisrider1
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See, a Happy ending.
maximumpsi
Member
Sounds like this situation worked out well for everyone. I hope your club gained a little more respect for land renters in this process. If the renter in question read your post where you stated your club had more rights to the land than the renter who has invested real $ in planting a crop, and that you resented having to "pander to" and "be kissing butt" to the renter, guess how hard he will fight to close that section of trail. And don't forget that renter may own that land (and more) someday, and you could lose many sections of trail for a generation. As snowmobilers, it is a privilege for us to cross private property on a snowmobile trail. And I also don't forget it is a privilege for me to ride trails all over the Midwest that exist due to the hard work of club members like you.
The Renter has rented the portion of Land that is planted and He controls the use of the Property until the Lease (Verbal or written expires) If the Land owner would allow the Trail use, He would open himself up to a claim if the Crop was damaged.
Glad to here they found a reroute.
Glad to here they found a reroute.