Re...the late start/bonus deer season in Wisconsin

Attak man

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Unfortunately..... the hunt will continue...3 of our area reps tried to get the DNR to close the bonus hunt north of hwy
64...they asked the DNR to enforce an emergency measure to cancel it before it begins...the DNR said no...its too late....believe it or not it was hunters who asked for this...believing this will do great damage to an already depleted herd (north of 64)...but it failed and the hunt is on....that being said...as frustrating as it is...please respect the land owners who wish to hunt by staying off the trail system until they officially open ( looks like December 17 th)..... just one more week folks...we have decent snow and ice this year...in fact the club is marking lake nokomis this week...stay patient folks...we are getting there.
 

xcr440

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Yeah, I was wondering if they would use a little common sense, with the depleted deer heard (Hello Mr. Wolf) and now the early BIG snows, but then again, its the DNR.

Not sure who is going to be out there hunting and dragging a deer through 1-2 feet of snow, but I'm sure there will be a little flash of orange somewhere out there.

There are the far northwest counties who are opening, but not grooming. Probably won't be the best trail riding conditions anyway.

Here's an idea, if you want to get out there early. Contact the local club in the area you ride!! No question they are still brushing, clearing, and working to mark trails (At least from the reports in the areas I ride). Get your butts out there and help out where you can! Hey, at least you are out there on your sled riding the trails and getting them ready! Its actually quite fun!!
 

markshop

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Yeah, I was wondering if they would use a little common sense, with the depleted deer heard (Hello Mr. Wolf) and now the early BIG snows, but then again, its the DNR.

Not sure who is going to be out there hunting and dragging a deer through 1-2 feet of snow, but I'm sure there will be a little flash of orange somewhere out there.

There are the far northwest counties who are opening, but not grooming. Probably won't be the best trail riding conditions anyway.

Here's an idea, if you want to get out there early. Contact the local club in the area you ride!! No question they are still brushing, clearing, and working to mark trails (At least from the reports in the areas I ride). Get your butts out there and help out where you can! Hey, at least you are out there on your sled riding the trails and getting them ready! Its actually quite fun!!

Looks like iron co trails are open. some trails are groomed . Look at great northern cameras.
 

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DNR report lays out causes of deer mortality
In north, predators a major factor, but hunters tops
Feb. 22, 2012

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Hunters killed more adult and yearling deer than any other cause.

Only 27% of fawns survived seven months in northern Wisconsin.

And the buck mortality rate of 50% might cause a significant revision of the state's long-standing method for estimating the deer population.

These are among the findings of the first year of Wisconsin deer research to learn more about fawn survival, study predator impacts on deer and improve the Sex-Age-Kill deer population model.

The report was made public Wednesday by the Department of Natural Resources.

It's titled "Evaluating survival and cause-specific mortality in adult and fawn white-tailed deer in northern and east-central Wisconsin."

Some of the points listed in the report confirm what has long been held, such as hunter harvest being the leading cause of adult and yearling deer mortality in the state.

But others shed light on previously unknown or little-studied facets of Wisconsin's prize big-game species.

"That's the value of boots-on-the-ground research," said DNR research scientist Chris Jacques, the report's lead author. "These projects are giving us an outstanding opportunity to add to our knowledge of deer in Wisconsin."

The work is formally divided into two projects: a buck mortality study and a fawn recruitment and predation study.

Blood and other samples taken from deer in the study will also provide insight into the health of the herd.

Costing more than $2 million, the work represents Wisconsin's largest investment in deer research. The projects are funded through the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, an excise tax on hunting and shooting equipment.

Data were collected from late 2010 to December 2011 in two areas: a 3,500-square mile northern forest study area in Sawyer, Price and Rusk counties and a 2,300-square mile eastern farmland study area in Shawano, Waupaca and Outagamie counties.

Researchers captured and placed radio collars on 73 yearling males (45 in the north, 28 in the east), 45 adult males (25 and 20), 86 adult females (40 and 46) and 78 fawns (30 and 48).

If researchers detected a "mortality signal" from a radio collar, they traveled to the site and attempted to determine cause of death.

Among the preliminary findings listed in the report:

Hunter harvest (38%) and predation (26%) were primary sources of adult and yearling deer mortality across northern Wisconsin.

Hunter harvest (61%) and vehicle collisions (24%) were primary sources of adult and yearling deer mortality in the east.

In the north, 22 fawn (13 males, nine females) mortalities occurred through December, representing 73% of the 30 radio-collared fawns. Most (64%) fawn mortalities were attributed to predation; bears and bobcats were the leading predators.

In the east, 18 fawn (11 males, seven females) mortalities occurred through December, representing 38% of 48 radio-collared fawns. Most fawn mortalities were attributed to predation (33%), starvation (33%), and vehicle collisions (17%). Coyotes were the leading predator of fawns in this area.

"Relatively high" pregnancy rates were noted in the north (92%) and east (93.5%).

- Most adult deer (66% in northern and 90% in east) were non-migratory.

- Adult deer that did migrate averaged 3.8 and 2.7 miles, respectively, between seasonal ranges in the northern and east study areas.

Deer ticks (Ixodes scapularis) were present on 23% of deer sampled.

No deer showed exposure to epizootic hemorrhagic disease (EHD), a deadly deer disease, and only 1 to 3% showed exposure to bluetongue and eastern equine encephalitis.

Five adult male deer were poached in northern Wisconsin during 2011.

- At the end of December, 19 adult males, 22 adult females and 8 fawns were "on the air" and monitored weekly for movement and survival status in northern Wisconsin.

- And in the east, 21 adult males, 25 adult females, and 30 fawns continue to be monitored weekly.

More than 200 Wisconsin citizens assisted with 2011 deer capture events.

Though fawn survival has been extensively studied in North America, no information exists on the potential effects of predation on deer recruitment in Wisconsin, according to the report.

Fawns in the north weighed an average of 9.3 pounds, "significantly" less than in the east (11 pounds).

Jacques said the researchers will continue to track fawn weights and habitat conditions. Lower birth weights are often associated with lower fawn survival.

It has always been assumed that hunters kill the most deer in Wisconsin. The study found that to be true among adult and yearling deer.

But in northern Wisconsin, the number of adult and yearling deer killed by predators isn't far behind hunter harvest.

Hunters killed 20 deer (seven adult bucks, four adult females and nine yearling males) in the northern study area, while predators killed 14 (two adult bucks, three adult females and nine yearling males).

Of that total, wolves killed four deer (all yearling males), bobcats three (two yearling males and one adult female), coyotes two (one each adult female and yearling male) and bear one (adult female). The species was not listed on four predator kills due to insufficient evidence.

In the east-central study area, hunters killed 23 deer (seven adult males, six adult females and 10 yearling males). Vehicles were next highest cause of mortality (nine). Predators did not kill an adult or yearling deer in the east-central area.

As stated, predators were far and away the leading cause of death in fawns. In the north, predators accounted for 64% (14 of 22) of fawn mortality. Next leading causes in the north were hunter harvest (14%) and starvation (9%).

Bears killed five fawns in the north, bobcats killed two and coyotes killed one. Researchers could not determine the predator species in the other cases.

In the east-central, predators accounted for 33% (six of 18) of fawn mortality, the same as starvation. The next leading source was vehicles (17%).

Coyotes killed four of the six fawns in the east-central, bears killed one and one kill was listed as unknown predator due to insufficient evidence.

The Wisconsin study is contrasting with work in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that has shown coyotes as the leading predator on both adult deer and fawns.

Poachers killed five adult deer in northern Wisconsin, the same number as died from starvation and vehicle collisions.

A 2009 DNR document titled "Wolves and deer in Wisconsin" compared various sources of deer mortality in the northern and central forest regions.

It attributed 122,000 deer deaths to hunters and 68,000 to predators (33,000 to bears, 16,000 to coyotes, 13,000 to wolves and 6,000 to bobcats).

In other words, according to the document predators killed 56% as many deer - adults, yearlings and fawns - as hunters.

But that may have underestimated the predator take on deer, especially since it included fawns.

The first year of research in the northern study area shows the predator kill of adult and yearling deer alone to be 70% of the hunter harvest.

If the number of fawns is added, the predator take on deer in the north exceeds that of hunters.

Another area of the report that will draw high interest is related to buck mortality.

A 2006 audit by an independent panel recommended Wisconsin improve its estimates of "buck recovery rate," the proportion of male deer killed by hunters and a key variable used in the SAK deer population model.

The SAK model used by the DNR has assumed a 70% rate for northern and 80% rate for eastern Wisconsin. But the first year of the study found about 50% in both areas.

"Should the overall contribution of harvest to total buck mortality be assumed too high, the resulting SAK estimates will be biased downward," wrote the 2006 review panel.

While this may be difficult for many hunters - who have complained the DNR's deer population estimates have been too high - to believe, the SAK model may be skewed low by inaccurate buck recovery rates.

The report acknowledges the discrepancy between the buck recovery rates used in recent years and the observed rates from the first year of the study.

"We emphasize that our findings are both preliminary and limited to a single year of field data, thus the tendency to draw conclusions based on these data should be interpreted with caution," the report states.

Partners in the projects include the DNR, UW-Madison Department of Forestry and Wildlife Ecology, UW's Applied Population Laboratory, UW-Stevens Point, the Wisconsin Conservation Congress and Whitetails Unlimited.

The buck mortality study is designed to run to 2015. The goal of this project is to improve the accuracy and precision of deer population estimates in Wisconsin. Deer trapping and collaring will continue through the winter of 2014.

The fawn study will run to 2013. It is focused on fawn recruitment and predator effects on fawn survival. Field work will be completed following the fawn capture season in May and June.

In addition to weekly monitoring all radio-collared deer, the researchers are attempting to capture and collar more adult and yearling deer in the study areas through March.

A copy of the full report is posted in the "On the Trail" blog.
Send email to psmith@journalsentinel.

Thought you might find the facts interesting on the real killers of deer . The Wolf is not the problem , never has been..
 

Attak man

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OK.....this is about our late start...and why....and though u posted a factual study...it reiterates why most hunters don't want another bonus hunt....it really doesn't matter what's causing low deer (predation vs hunting)...its that the numbers are low to begin with...so why the bonus hunt?? Let's be honest...thats a very limited survey of deer in a large area....I don't know how anyone can conclude that wolves are not the problem...I know people that would refute those numbers...no skin off my nose
 

xcr440

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OK.....this is about our late start...and why....and though u posted a factual study...it reiterates why most hunters don't want another bonus hunt....it really doesn't matter what's causing low deer (predation vs hunting)...its that the numbers are low to begin with...so why the bonus hunt?? Let's be honest...thats a very limited survey of deer in a large area....I don't know how anyone can conclude that wolves are not the problem...I know people that would refute those numbers...no skin off my nose

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Jonger1150

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Just keep a low profile and stay away from trail-heads... That is asinine, we wait 9 months to ride and then they delay the snowmobile season for hunting, which has been going on in the form of bow, mussle-loader and shotgun/rifle since September???

Heck no, we only get so long... Put this hunt in one of the other 9 months we can't ride.

Sorry, venting... I don't even ride in Wisconsin.
 

Attak man

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Just to make it clear....I am a snowmobiler...not a hunter.....don't care about hunting...but I do respect those who do, and the land owners....The DNR really snuck one by us....I know many of you sledders are like me, and don't hunt....so....how would we know that last spring they would pass a measure for a bonus hunt late in december??? I have never been to those public hearings....had I known it would effect snowmobiling...I sure as heck would have been....and you can bet..I will be reading each and every adgenda in the future...and will raise holy **** at the meetings if they ever propose this type of thing again!!! However...it's too late this year...and I will abide by the offical opening dates.
 

xcr440

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Just to make it clear....I am a snowmobiler...not a hunter.....don't care about hunting...but I do respect those who do, and the land owners....The DNR really snuck one by us....I know many of you sledders are like me, and don't hunt....so....how would we know that last spring they would pass a measure for a bonus hunt late in december??? I have never been to those public hearings....had I known it would effect snowmobiling...I sure as heck would have been....and you can bet..I will be reading each and every adgenda in the future...and will raise holy **** at the meetings if they ever propose this type of thing again!!! However...it's too late this year...and I will abide by the offical opening dates.

Haven't these "T-zone" hunts been on the books for about 10 years now??? Its just so rare that the snomobiling season has been able to be a "go" this early.
 

renegade

Active member
I'd say it has been over 50/50 for me at my cabin that I can ride in early Dec. Well over. I think the main point should be there were no hunts in December at one time, now it goes to the middle with muzzleloader and then a T-Zone, and now possibly a holiday hunt. The DNR does not listen to snowmobilers at all during any meetings they might hold, but you can waste your time and try. We will see what the meetings for holiday hunts do, it has been mostly no from a public standpoint, not just snowmobilers. Problem is there is way to much land where no one or just a few hunt and only shoot one deer for food and trophy hunt the rest of the year. Very hard to control the population, we could hunt 365 days a year and those areas will never drop. So deer and bear become DNR's biggest hope and the public land to the north get decimated with predation and over hunting and private land to the south nothing changes, population still increasing.
 

Attak man

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T-zone was different...and there weren't too many of those north of hwy 64 through the years...this one is a statewide bonus hunt.....and I realize only once in the last 5 years have we had snow, and good ice before xmas....but I am against all these hunts after december 1 st.....I wish wisconsin would pull their head out and do a 15 day season like michigan...and forget all of these bonus hunts....start november 15...end november 30th....the second week...muzzle loaders may hunt...it's your choice...muzzle or gun....if certain cwd zones need eradication, but using an extended season, or bonus hunt... so be it...but I highly doubt any of those bonus hunts would be north of 64....some hunters I talked to aren't even going out...because they believe the herd is depleted here...and they don't want to do more damage.

If wisconsin copied michigan....we could open when the trails are ready....december 1st etc.....if we don't have snow or ice....well then we wait...just like any other year....however...it would be nice to have that option to open these trails as early as possible...it's a short enough season, and the businesses up here need the snowmobilers, more than they need the hunters....no offense to the hunters...just saying.
 

pirate

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If it's about the late start , then why did you put the remark about Wolf's in yours in the 1st place . You can't refute facts and I can pull numerous reports from all over northern Wi over several years . But back to the post .In my area of Vila county it is the hunters who seem to run the DNR and could care less about the deer #'s they want to keep hunting till there are no deer left . And if you are from there you would understand also there are a few people who seem to think they run the area and have a say in the DNR direction . That they are growing more and more anti snowmobile friendly. And this is becoming a concern for many business owners there and because it is also a corridor to the UP . They (DNR) are never going to be able to stop sledders but are trying there best to limit our usage of the trails more and more. It has been and is becoming a increasing problem there . And they use Deer heard #'s like I posted to skew there reasoning for a select few to be able to hunt more and make snowmobile trails less available . I was there this past week and Eagle River area and north was a ghost town . Yet all the land trails are panned and ready .And should have been open .A few business where not even open this weekend because of the DNR's actions. It's because of some serious back room discussions that they are even opening fri now instead of the 17th . The town needs snowmobiling and less late hunt's to survive . Yet the DNR is not opening to listening . It will be years b4 the deer heard is even close to years gone by . But even sooner and harder hit are the people of northern Wis who need the revenue to survive up there .
 

xcr440

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If it's about the late start , then why did you put the remark about Wolf's in yours in the 1st place . You can't refute facts and I can pull numerous reports from all over northern Wi over several years.

Well, from about 2000 through 2008, specifically in the Chequamegan Forest in Sawyer and Ashland counties (I guess my experience is limited) the Wolf herd was significantly under estimated. Just ask any of the locals up there. There were numerous packs running the area. I personally had a deer I shot, run for about 2-300 yards before dropping (I must not be a very good shot either). Before I got to it about a half hour later, the wolves had devoured the hind quarters. Yeah, I shot it, but I got NOTHING but a tiny 6 point rack off the head.

I guess I'm not a DNR with a "study" of < 1% of deer kills in my pocket, so I'm sure I'm waaaay off here.

However, I agree completely that they need to be open minded about timing of events, like the snowmobile opener, which they are not. Its a hard and fast rule with them, though I see other areas are opening early. The local economy in many of these areas depends very heavily on snowmobiling tourism. I remember one local place saying 90% of their annual income was during the snowmobile season. A couple poor winters, and businesses went up for sale, and sat there.
 
DNR report lays out causes of deer mortality
In north, predators a major factor, but hunters tops
Feb. 22, 2012

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Hunters killed more adult and yearling deer than any other cause.

Only 27% of fawns survived seven months in northern Wisconsin.

And the buck mortality rate of 50% might cause a significant revision of the state's long-standing method for estimating the deer population.

These are among the findings of the first year of Wisconsin deer research to learn more about fawn survival, study predator impacts on deer and improve the Sex-Age-Kill deer population model.

The report was made public Wednesday by the Department of Natural Resources.

It's titled "Evaluating survival and cause-specific mortality in adult and fawn white-tailed deer in northern and east-central Wisconsin."

Some of the points listed in the report confirm what has long been held, such as hunter harvest being the leading cause of adult and yearling deer mortality in the state.

But others shed light on previously unknown or little-studied facets of Wisconsin's prize big-game species.

"That's the value of boots-on-the-ground research," said DNR research scientist Chris Jacques, the report's lead author. "These projects are giving us an outstanding opportunity to add to our knowledge of deer in Wisconsin."

The work is formally divided into two projects: a buck mortality study and a fawn recruitment and predation study.

Blood and other samples taken from deer in the study will also provide insight into the health of the herd.

Costing more than $2 million, the work represents Wisconsin's largest investment in deer research. The projects are funded through the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, an excise tax on hunting and shooting equipment.

Data were collected from late 2010 to December 2011 in two areas: a 3,500-square mile northern forest study area in Sawyer, Price and Rusk counties and a 2,300-square mile eastern farmland study area in Shawano, Waupaca and Outagamie counties.

Researchers captured and placed radio collars on 73 yearling males (45 in the north, 28 in the east), 45 adult males (25 and 20), 86 adult females (40 and 46) and 78 fawns (30 and 48).

If researchers detected a "mortality signal" from a radio collar, they traveled to the site and attempted to determine cause of death.

Among the preliminary findings listed in the report:

Hunter harvest (38%) and predation (26%) were primary sources of adult and yearling deer mortality across northern Wisconsin.

Hunter harvest (61%) and vehicle collisions (24%) were primary sources of adult and yearling deer mortality in the east.

In the north, 22 fawn (13 males, nine females) mortalities occurred through December, representing 73% of the 30 radio-collared fawns. Most (64%) fawn mortalities were attributed to predation; bears and bobcats were the leading predators.

In the east, 18 fawn (11 males, seven females) mortalities occurred through December, representing 38% of 48 radio-collared fawns. Most fawn mortalities were attributed to predation (33%), starvation (33%), and vehicle collisions (17%). Coyotes were the leading predator of fawns in this area.

"Relatively high" pregnancy rates were noted in the north (92%) and east (93.5%).

- Most adult deer (66% in northern and 90% in east) were non-migratory.

- Adult deer that did migrate averaged 3.8 and 2.7 miles, respectively, between seasonal ranges in the northern and east study areas.

Deer ticks (Ixodes scapularis) were present on 23% of deer sampled.

No deer showed exposure to epizootic hemorrhagic disease (EHD), a deadly deer disease, and only 1 to 3% showed exposure to bluetongue and eastern equine encephalitis.

Five adult male deer were poached in northern Wisconsin during 2011.

- At the end of December, 19 adult males, 22 adult females and 8 fawns were "on the air" and monitored weekly for movement and survival status in northern Wisconsin.

- And in the east, 21 adult males, 25 adult females, and 30 fawns continue to be monitored weekly.

More than 200 Wisconsin citizens assisted with 2011 deer capture events.

Though fawn survival has been extensively studied in North America, no information exists on the potential effects of predation on deer recruitment in Wisconsin, according to the report.

Fawns in the north weighed an average of 9.3 pounds, "significantly" less than in the east (11 pounds).

Jacques said the researchers will continue to track fawn weights and habitat conditions. Lower birth weights are often associated with lower fawn survival.

It has always been assumed that hunters kill the most deer in Wisconsin. The study found that to be true among adult and yearling deer.

But in northern Wisconsin, the number of adult and yearling deer killed by predators isn't far behind hunter harvest.

Hunters killed 20 deer (seven adult bucks, four adult females and nine yearling males) in the northern study area, while predators killed 14 (two adult bucks, three adult females and nine yearling males).

Of that total, wolves killed four deer (all yearling males), bobcats three (two yearling males and one adult female), coyotes two (one each adult female and yearling male) and bear one (adult female). The species was not listed on four predator kills due to insufficient evidence.

In the east-central study area, hunters killed 23 deer (seven adult males, six adult females and 10 yearling males). Vehicles were next highest cause of mortality (nine). Predators did not kill an adult or yearling deer in the east-central area.

As stated, predators were far and away the leading cause of death in fawns. In the north, predators accounted for 64% (14 of 22) of fawn mortality. Next leading causes in the north were hunter harvest (14%) and starvation (9%).

Bears killed five fawns in the north, bobcats killed two and coyotes killed one. Researchers could not determine the predator species in the other cases.

In the east-central, predators accounted for 33% (six of 18) of fawn mortality, the same as starvation. The next leading source was vehicles (17%).

Coyotes killed four of the six fawns in the east-central, bears killed one and one kill was listed as unknown predator due to insufficient evidence.

The Wisconsin study is contrasting with work in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that has shown coyotes as the leading predator on both adult deer and fawns.

Poachers killed five adult deer in northern Wisconsin, the same number as died from starvation and vehicle collisions.

A 2009 DNR document titled "Wolves and deer in Wisconsin" compared various sources of deer mortality in the northern and central forest regions.

It attributed 122,000 deer deaths to hunters and 68,000 to predators (33,000 to bears, 16,000 to coyotes, 13,000 to wolves and 6,000 to bobcats).

In other words, according to the document predators killed 56% as many deer - adults, yearlings and fawns - as hunters.

But that may have underestimated the predator take on deer, especially since it included fawns.

The first year of research in the northern study area shows the predator kill of adult and yearling deer alone to be 70% of the hunter harvest.

If the number of fawns is added, the predator take on deer in the north exceeds that of hunters.

Another area of the report that will draw high interest is related to buck mortality.

A 2006 audit by an independent panel recommended Wisconsin improve its estimates of "buck recovery rate," the proportion of male deer killed by hunters and a key variable used in the SAK deer population model.

The SAK model used by the DNR has assumed a 70% rate for northern and 80% rate for eastern Wisconsin. But the first year of the study found about 50% in both areas.

"Should the overall contribution of harvest to total buck mortality be assumed too high, the resulting SAK estimates will be biased downward," wrote the 2006 review panel.

While this may be difficult for many hunters - who have complained the DNR's deer population estimates have been too high - to believe, the SAK model may be skewed low by inaccurate buck recovery rates.

The report acknowledges the discrepancy between the buck recovery rates used in recent years and the observed rates from the first year of the study.

"We emphasize that our findings are both preliminary and limited to a single year of field data, thus the tendency to draw conclusions based on these data should be interpreted with caution," the report states.

Partners in the projects include the DNR, UW-Madison Department of Forestry and Wildlife Ecology, UW's Applied Population Laboratory, UW-Stevens Point, the Wisconsin Conservation Congress and Whitetails Unlimited.

The buck mortality study is designed to run to 2015. The goal of this project is to improve the accuracy and precision of deer population estimates in Wisconsin. Deer trapping and collaring will continue through the winter of 2014.

The fawn study will run to 2013. It is focused on fawn recruitment and predator effects on fawn survival. Field work will be completed following the fawn capture season in May and June.

In addition to weekly monitoring all radio-collared deer, the researchers are attempting to capture and collar more adult and yearling deer in the study areas through March.

A copy of the full report is posted in the "On the Trail" blog.
Send email to psmith@journalsentinel.

Thought you might find the facts interesting on the real killers of deer . The Wolf is not the problem , never has been..


Just to be clear, that report is almost 2 years old and the data collection for the report is 3-4 years old. Maybe it's still accurate for this year, I don't know. Just wanted to point out the timeframe.
 

Attak man

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If it's about the late start , then why did you put the remark about Wolf's in yours in the 1st place . You can't refute facts and I can pull numerous reports from all over northern Wi over several years . But back to the post .In my area of Vila county it is the hunters who seem to run the DNR and could care less about the deer #'s they want to keep hunting till there are no deer left . And if you are from there you would understand also there are a few people who seem to think they run the area and have a say in the DNR direction . That they are growing more and more anti snowmobile friendly. And this is becoming a concern for many business owners there and because it is also a corridor to the UP . They (DNR) are never going to be able to stop sledders but are trying there best to limit our usage of the trails more and more. It has been and is becoming a increasing problem there . And they use Deer heard #'s like I posted to skew there reasoning for a select few to be able to hunt more and make snowmobile trails less available . I was there this past week and Eagle River area and north was a ghost town . Yet all the land trails are panned and ready .And should have been open .A few business where not even open this weekend because of the DNR's actions. It's because of some serious back room discussions that they are even opening fri now instead of the 17th . The town needs snowmobiling and less late hunt's to survive . Yet the DNR is not opening to listening . It will be years b4 the deer heard is even close to years gone by . But even sooner and harder hit are the people of northern Wis who need the revenue to survive up there .

I made zero references to wolves...go re read my post!!
 

Attak man

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If it's about the late start , then why did you put the remark about Wolf's in yours in the 1st place . You can't refute facts and I can pull numerous reports from all over northern Wi over several years . But back to the post .In my area of Vila county it is the hunters who seem to run the DNR and could care less about the deer #'s they want to keep hunting till there are no deer left . And if you are from there you would understand also there are a few people who seem to think they run the area and have a say in the DNR direction . That they are growing more and more anti snowmobile friendly. And this is becoming a concern for many business owners there and because it is also a corridor to the UP . They (DNR) are never going to be able to stop sledders but are trying there best to limit our usage of the trails more and more. It has been and is becoming a increasing problem there . And they use Deer heard #'s like I posted to skew there reasoning for a select few to be able to hunt more and make snowmobile trails less available . I was there this past week and Eagle River area and north was a ghost town . Yet all the land trails are panned and ready .And should have been open .A few business where not even open this weekend because of the DNR's actions. It's because of some serious back room discussions that they are even opening fri now instead of the 17th . The town needs snowmobiling and less late hunt's to survive . Yet the DNR is not opening to listening . It will be years b4 the deer heard is even close to years gone by . But even sooner and harder hit are the people of northern Wis who need the revenue to survive up there .

Vilas County has problems.... Too many granola eaters, and old hippies are retired up there....they hate ATV's, Jet Ski's, and snowmobiles!!! Don't believe me ?? Go to the vilas county board meeting...next time atv's are on the agenda....Eagle River and the surrounding area's have turned into an anti motorsports
"old farts come here to die" area.....You let too many environmental wack jobs move into your area....and they are impossing their will on everybody...kinda of ironic that the world championship snowmobile derby is held there...you would think the "snowmobile capital of the world" would be more snowmobiler friendly...Vilas county is run by old cronies...and until they get some young blood on that board...that realizes the importance of motorized sports to their economy...it's never gonna change....Vilas county has lost numerous chances to improve their economy through motorized sports (ATV's especially)...now those folks and their money drive right on by, up to the U.P....or other counties that support atving. I am not a fan of Vilas County at all.
 

whitedust

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My reaction is I don't care if the DNR wants to sharpshoot the deer herd to whatever is their right size just do whatever before Dec 1 & don't interfere with snowmobiling in the WI Northwoods. Pretty simple with me as I do both activities. You can collar them, fly over them, count them 1 at a time the herd is small in numbers in Vilas & will take years to recover. Don't hurt Ma & Pa snomo biz over a few deer just plain stupid.
 

Attak man

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My reaction is I don't care if the DNR wants to sharpshoot the deer herd to whatever is their right size just do whatever before Dec 1 & don't interfere with snowmobiling in the WI Northwoods. Pretty simple with me as I do both activities. You can collar them, fly over them, count them 1 at a time the herd is small in numbers in Vilas & will take years to recover. Don't hurt Ma & Pa snomo biz over a few deer just plain stupid.

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900cc

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Vilas County has problems.... Too many granola eaters, and old hippies are retired up there....they hate ATV's, Jet Ski's, and snowmobiles!!! Don't believe me ?? Go to the vilas county board meeting...next time atv's are on the agenda....Eagle River and the surrounding area's have turned into an anti motorsports
"old farts come here to die" area.....You let too many environmental wack jobs move into your area....and they are impossing their will on everybody...kinda of ironic that the world championship snowmobile derby is held there...you would think the "snowmobile capital of the world" would be more snowmobiler friendly...Vilas county is run by old cronies...and until they get some young blood on that board...that realizes the importance of motorized sports to their economy...it's never gonna change....Vilas county has lost numerous chances to improve their economy through motorized sports (ATV's especially)...now those folks and their money drive right on by, up to the U.P....or other counties that support atving. I am not a fan of Vilas County at all.

You NAILED it! So true
 
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