riding trails to exploration zones

slowsi00

New member
my favorite riding day is riding about 30-40 miles on trail to an off trail zone then 30-40 trail miles back home.

Kingston plains is perfect for this. the issue is fuel out there.

forest around PI up to gogebic is always fun especially with noobs.

I don't get into the steep bush too much but I love forest roads / logging roads that are legal to ride off the main trail network but close by it.

any other suggestions?
 
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Snowbandit

New member
We are coming up next week to scratch the itch and ride fire roads and two tracks./ We haven't done much in the UP and are also seeking suggestions and areas off which trails. I know its a big secrete but we are wanting to see behind the back roads curtain. We have GPS and compasses.

Ready Set Go.......
 

erkoehler

Member
I don’t know why. I understand people don’t want to give up riding areas but lack of information just leads to trespassing by ignorance and therefor giving all of snowmobiling a black eye.

If you post where you ride you’ll never have fresh snow when you get there. A prime example is the power lines in the U.P. 10-15 years ago you could ride the power lines and have fresh snow and never see a group of sleds pass. Now if it hasn’t snowed in the past few days they’re tracked up and wooped.

If your not familiar with where you are and confident your not trespassing, turn around! Took many trips and lots of hanging out in the UP in all seasons to gain the knowledge many of these riders have.
 

slowsi00

New member
If you post where you ride you’ll never have fresh snow when you get there. A prime example is the power lines in the U.P. 10-15 years ago you could ride the power lines and have fresh snow and never see a group of sleds pass. Now if it hasn’t snowed in the past few days they’re tracked up and wooped.

If your not familiar with where you are and confident your not trespassing, turn around! Took many trips and lots of hanging out in the UP in all seasons to gain the knowledge many of these riders have.

I get it. I love driving around the roads we call a trail in the summer.

im a true on/0ff trail fan. I like to ride the trails to a fun spot. blast around and ride the trails home. We will trailer if need be but rather ride right from the cabin and see other snowmobilers on the trail, see the clubs in action. participate in events etc etc.

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We are coming up next week to scratch the itch and ride fire roads and two tracks./ We haven't done much in the UP and are also seeking suggestions and areas off which trails. I know its a big secrete but we are wanting to see behind the back roads curtain. We have GPS and compasses.

Ready Set Go.......


get a forest road map from the DMV and over lay that with the trail network. Thats the only way to really do it. then go from there. exploring is fun. but remember...
no help off the trail.
 

sjb

Member
If you post where you ride you’ll never have fresh snow when you get there. A prime example is the power lines in the U.P. 10-15 years ago you could ride the power lines and have fresh snow and never see a group of sleds pass. Now if it hasn’t snowed in the past few days they’re tracked up and wooped.

If your not familiar with where you are and confident your not trespassing, turn around! Took many trips and lots of hanging out in the UP in all seasons to gain the knowledge many of these riders have.

Agree! Had an area that we never saw another sole for years. It was a gas calculating spot. Could ride off road for about 1.5 hours before fuel would become an issue back to our only gas station nearby. Buddy came with us who had lose lips. The following year there was a train of 15 sleds that came through and I could not believe my eyes. Spot has never been the same. We will still ride it, but only if we watch the snow and see it has had a dumping. Then try to arrive 1-3 days after that.
 
Each trip I'm going off trail more and more. I do like riding into the spots on the trail just as much; but at a slower pace than most others on the trail.
 

old abe

Well-known member
There are so many "mountain", "off trail", and "deep lug track" snowmobiles in the U.P. now, as compared to just a few years back, it's unreal. Probably it's just a short matter of time until it will be very rare the find any of the "pristine", untracked snow areas. This no doubt will lead to much more private property trespass issues. Nothing good will come from all this for the snowmobile sport.
 
There are so many "mountain", "off trail", and "deep lug track" snowmobiles in the U.P. now, as compared to just a few years back, it's unreal. Probably it's just a short matter of time until it will be very rare the find any of the "pristine", untracked snow areas. This no doubt will lead to much more private property trespass issues. Nothing good will come from all this for the snowmobile sport.

Think of it this way, there was once a guy that said the same thing about snowboards on the ski hill.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Nothing wrong with riding off trail legally. BUT it’s not easy to find those areas without doing your research year round. Nobody is going to give that information to ya just not going to happen lol. Nice try and there always a few thread requests like this every season. If you already know about FR maps then you are on the right path. Next step are platt maps and with proper respect and inquiries you could get permission to ride certain areas. The worst thing a rider can do is just rip off trail and knowingly or unknowingly trespass that pisses off landowners to the max. I have thrown a few bucks to farmers and they let me hunt their land and were favorably impressed that I came in person and
asked. Same applies to off trail riding if you get my drift.
 

skitool

New member
If you post where you ride you’ll never have fresh snow when you get there. A prime example is the power lines in the U.P. 10-15 years ago you could ride the power lines and have fresh snow and never see a group of sleds pass. Now if it hasn’t snowed in the past few days they’re tracked up and wooped.

If your not familiar with where you are and confident your not trespassing, turn around! Took many trips and lots of hanging out in the UP in all seasons to gain the knowledge many of these riders have.

I'm sure other people rode the power lines and said the same thing when you and your friends found it....Now your group tracks it up for them..
 

snoluver1

Active member
I'm sure other people rode the power lines and said the same thing when you and your friends found it....Now your group tracks it up for them..

100% correct! And it just keeps "snowballing". And that's why nobody in their right mind is going to give up where they ride on a public forum. Just ain't gonna happen! Lol
 

Mitchpro1125

New member
Since it's been talked about already, I might as well try and ask for some info too.. I've been doing all sorts of research looking for information on the basic legalities behind going of trail. I'm not asking for your spot, but could someone shed some light on what is considered legal and what is not? To what I've read, any state or federal land AT ALL is considered rideable as long as it is not marked otherwise. Is this true? I want to explore, but I can't even find a clear definition of what is legal and what is not anywhere! I've gone as far as emailing MSA and even then they were short.. I'll have to try again during the business hours and see if i get a better response.
 

pe4me

New member
I avoid responding to these threads for reasons others have pointed out and because it is hard to NOT sound like a jerk, but I digress. I post here only because I am sad to see the access become even more limited, and of course offer some advice without giving up more info than needed. I think one of the unwritten rules is it is okay to be a little selfish when it comes to disclosing riding areas or free information as to how that knowledge is obtained. Anyway.

A- You have to know the exact area where you want to ride.
B- Make sure you know the local ordinances and the land owners of the exact area you are going to ride in. (some areas are more snowmobile friendly, state and federal land rules may not even apply)
C- Know the boundaries of the land you are going to ride on, and more importantly stay within those lines. (power lines are tempting but definitely not all legal, you will piss people off in a quick hurry if you're ignorant)
D- Make sure that the route you are following or creating is also legal the entire way to and from the riding area. (other tracks do not make it legal)
Once you have this sorted, call who you must and you are probably going to get more accurate information.
If you cannot find the answers to these basic questions without posting to the world wide web, in my opinion, the rider should buy a sticker and just stay on the clearly marked trail to avoid unnecessary bad press for those who do their due diligence. It may take hours of map reading/planning to avoid a few minutes of expensive citations. If you read it on MSA or a Michigan website and it has a caveat such as "not marked otherwise" or other specific language that can be cited in a situation, you're probably good to go. Be prepared to show this and all pertinent, verifiable information of the area to the DNR/Officer and you will most likely be on the same page as the law and have no issue; that will be your ultimate test anyway because when you say, "yeah, they said over there on JohnDee" or "Steve at the MSA said it was okay" and it's not, you will pay.

State forest land is legal to ride on just as you read, which happens to be front page news on MSA so maybe that is why they were short??? but the state land has to accessed out of the deer season window, after Dec 1, and not posted or otherwise closed. Good luck in your search and I wont be offended if you dont post findings:)

Tell all posts here and on FB are cringe worthy. The honey holes would be more likely to stay honey holes if everyone did their homework, made decisions that would keep us in the good graces of Michigan landowners, and for the love of your favorite honey hole, don't post up specific information that will add another set of tracks in the worst keep secret in the Northwoods.

Just a thought-
 
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