Roof shoveling

snobuilder

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Never made much sense to me.
If you are worried about your roof collapsing from snow, why would you ever crawl up there and add your body weight?
Average person at lets say a slim 180# puts way more concentrated weight on a small amount a square inches than 10 feet a snow ever could.
LOL
 

Admin

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It's not the lbs in a few square inches in a small area of the roof I am worried about, it is the TONS of weight combined on the whole roof structure that is the problem. Also, the downward force of the snow is not always the problem, many times it is the sheering force exerted on the structure when the snow slides can knock a structure over, if you have metal roofs, which all of mine are.

Are you really a builder snowbuilder?

-John
 

ezra

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prob a few good deals on some lightly crushed poos in web lk wi this week dealers roof dropped in this week.
good money in steaming jambs in my parts 250 to 325 a hr 3hr min
 

rp7x

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never thought I be on my pole shed with a shovel , but I sleep a lot better now , a lot of people loosing roofs around the spooner area
 

yoopermike

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These are approximate from some snow loading info I have.

Snow Depth/ Design Weight/ Est. Actual Weight

6 inches/ 7.5 psf/ 6-9 psf

12 inches/ 16.1 psf/ 12-18 psf

18 inches/ 26.1 psf / 18-24 psf

24 inches/ 37.8 psf/ 24-36 psf

30 inches/ 51.8 psf/ 30-45 psf

36 inches/ 69.0 psf/ 36-54 psf

42 inches/ 90.0 psf/ 42-63 psf

48 inches/ 117 psf/ 48-72 psf
 

yoopermike

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In addition to the maximum design strength of your roof system, the one thing that most people will probably overlook is the unbalanced loading condition. Most failures happen when the leeward side of your house starts accumulating 1.5 to 2 times the windward side, in areas where the roof's aren't necessarily designed to hold "U.P." snow. Factor in wind loading, and you could be talking about another 10 to 20 psf at 70 mph. I know my trusses were rated at 70 psf, so when I start seeing 3' on my roof, I start to get worried.
 

snobuilder

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so then you prove my point...why crawl up there and add your OWN body weight to an already loaded roof?
gawd forbid you reroof with 7 or 8 roofers on one side of your dwelling in a 25 mph wind, eh?

every steel roof saleman I ever heard speak talks about how the snow will slide right off on it's own.

I am a builder and I build things strong enough to withstand a snow load.
Too bad you don't have that peace of mind....LOL
 

whitedust

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helps with ice jams

Ice jams can do a lot of damage not a big deal to rake roof from ground which I would do now if I knew we were going to have a rain storm....for me just have to see how the melt goes in March.....might be a problem might not.
 
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lenny

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so then you prove my point...why crawl up there and add your OWN body weight to an already loaded roof?
gawd forbid you reroof with 7 or 8 roofers on one side of your dwelling in a 25 mph wind, eh?

every steel roof saleman I ever heard speak talks about how the snow will slide right off on it's own.

I am a builder and I build things strong enough to withstand a snow load.
Too bad you don't have that peace of mind....LOL

I rake off a lot of snow from the ground and eliminate a good amount before I go up but not because I am worried it may collapse but because it's easier. A few hundred pounds is nill IMO so i just get up there and go to work
 

frosty

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I've seen guys go up there with sno blowers, more on the flat roofs, but I have seen people with like 4/12 pitched roofs too.
 

chevytaHOE5674

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so then you prove my point...why crawl up there and add your OWN body weight to an already loaded roof?

Speaking for myself only here but when I decide to shovel a roof I don't wait until its at the point of failure, so adding my 200lbs to it isn't going to make it fail. I shovel when there is more snow or even rain in the forecast which can add thousands of pounds to the already heavy snow load.

I am a builder and I build things strong enough to withstand a snow load.
Too bad you don't have that peace of mind....LOL

That is great for new construction. Lots of us have homes, garages, barns, etc that were built 20,30,60, or in my case 100 years ago when things may not have been built for the heavy snow loads or were built before there was uniform building codes and somebody to inspect the construction so its just a little piece of mind to shovel.
 

snobuilder

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Seriously, John?...I will leave the engineering to you then....LOL

My point is there is way more risk of injury in most cases of roof shoveling vs. collapse and I see many people risking there well being when it is absolutely unecessary.Certainly where you happen to live there could be a need due to no or lax building codes but I see it going on down here. Pretty sure it's done outta winter boredom and seein the neighbor doin it so I better do it too!....
 

Admin

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We have codes and they are very strictly enforced. So much so that most folks just go the route of using engineered roof trusses to leave the figuring to the engineers. Our trusses are engineered to hold 90 lbs/sq ft.

If you shovel a roof correctly, there is not that great a risk of injury. Sure folks fall off and get hurt, but I suspect they are not paying close enough attention to what they are doing, as I have been up on plenty of roofs and never once had a close call. Many times after the first shoveling the snow is only about 3-4 feet shy of the eaves anyway, so not much to get hurt on after that. I now have snow right up to the eaves of my wood shed, which is the only roof that I really worry about, as it does not use engineered trusses, just my handy work!

My point about roof loads was that with a properly designed and built roof, the load exerted in one particular spot is shared with the entire roofing system. Sure the load will decrease the further you get from the actual point of load, but my weight being on the roof is not confined to just where I am standing, it is distributed throughout the entire roof. So it really is not adding a bunch more weight to the spot I am standing on.

Now, let 4-5 feet of super dense snow pile up on that same roof and the point load is actually being carried by the structure directly beneath it, as you have the same amount of load on the entire roof. The roof structure over the house would probably hold 4-5 feet without problem, but why chance it. Like I say, if you are mindful and careful, roof shoveling is not as dangerous as it is made out to be.

As for metal roofs self clearing. It is true, but only when you have enough of a warm up to break the bond between the roof and the snow. This winter has been a highly unusual one in that we have had almost no thaws and those we have had have typically not been long enough to cause the roofs to slide. In the other years I have been living with the metal roofs, they have self cleared.

Also, when we get to this time of the year, there is the risk of rain falling onto the snow and significantly adding to the weight, so many folks like to get the roofs fairly well cleared now, so that any rains to not cause problems. That is why I did my wood shed last week.

-John
 

gogebictodd

New member
The weight, ice daming always worry me, so I rake it as much as i can. This year as John pointed out, very little if any snow has melted. I have raked my cabin roof(70 lb roof load, ranch style, low pitch) 3 times. If I would not have raked it there would have been easily over 3 feet of snow on it by now. I was up last weekend (Marenisco MI) there was over a foot on it before raking............Man that is a lot of work, the snow in the yard is so deep, getting around is a job alone...................
 

snobuilder

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the roof truss design criteria will disrtibute the loads to the proper places, usually the outside walls or beam trusses and then down through those walls to the foundation.

my concern beyond slipping to injury would be that in most areas new construction allows 1/2" or even 7/16 OSB is roof rated to 24OC as roof sheathing, now add your body weight to an already heavy snow load between the trusses and whallah....you could end up in the living room with your boots on!

Now old consruction poses even greater danger due to age and lax or no codes or rated lumber back in the day and then add 2 or sometimes 3 layers a roofing material and you are cruising for problems.
I've stripped old roofs with 6" knots falling out of the random width roof sheathing boards and those are on sitting on 2x4 rafters!!!.
 
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