Rush vs. Vector

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fusion

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After riding both sleds for a full season I finally have some opinions on the two. At first I thought the Rush was a hands down winner, but the Vector is very surprising overall. Now again it's tough to compare fairly because this season has been so abnormal in terms of conditions, but I still developed some opinions. As an aside, people will be talking about this winter for years to come in terms of snow depth and conditions in northern WI. Truly an amazing year for conditions, and they still are great in most areas.

The Rush is so nimble and handles so great even with stock carbides. Also you can make adjustments to conditions with one or two clicks either way on all the shocks, and the changes are noticeable immediately. I love that about it. I expect this sled will get even better with triple points on it, but we'll find that out next year. The motor is great, it sips oil, I first added oil at about 450 miles, but it does drink the fuel. Motor has sufficient power but is a bit peaky, still no overall complaints about power. Rear end hooks up great even without studs. It hooks up well enough I have no intentions of ever adding studs. I don't remember sliding around any corners this year, but again, icy corners were never an issue in Vilas county this year.

Now yesterday I jumped on the Vector back to back for a long run, after being on the Rush 1st. The first thing you notice is how low the Vector feels compared to the Rush. But you get used to the rider position quickly. The front end plants real well with the 6" triple points and all that weight over the skis. The rear end does break lose from time to time, but that doesn't bother me at all. I just compensate for that with corner entry and throttle position. But the thing that REALLY stands out about that Yamaha is the motor. That 4 stroke motor is a total blast from corner to corner. The power band is perfect for that and I almost think I prefer it to the Rush. Didn't think I would say that earlier in the year. And the suspension is surprisingly good in all but the very rough trails, which we haven't seen much of this year. There will always be a place in my garage for a sled like this. Two vastly different machines, but both very good at what they do.

It got me to thinking this weekend, if only the Viper did not have that "certain" chassis I could picture myself riding one of those things. I'm looking for Kip to sell me on the durability and reliability and of course QUALITY of the chassis on the Viper next year. My brother rode both sleds extensively and he thinks he'd be just fine with the 4-stroke even with the weight difference. He's seriously considering a Viper next year. I didn't think I'd be saying this a few months ago, but in anything but very rough trails, the Vector and Rush are very close to equal machines, with a slight edge in ride and adjust-ability to the Rush. I had a blast on both of these sleds this past weekend, and wouldn't want to trade either of them for anything else, with the possible exception of Vector for Viper, but I need to be sold. I'd like to hear other opinions from riders that have been on both of these sleds, and the Viper, for something more than just a 30-40 minute test ride.
 

whitedust

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Why not just test ride Viper of choice at Pat's so you can get the feel for yourself? Pat's a poo dealer now so do your thing on both sleds. I'm not crazy about Viper but you may luv it.
 

Woodtic

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I've ridden the Rush,600 ProR. That is one fun sled. Just demo rides on the Viper. I just ride for fun these days. The Viper is more of a big mileage tame sled to me. Last week I proved you don't need much for a groomed trail sled. Because of the cold weather,I pulled out my Poo 500 classic two up. To ride with a 600 Rev,800 Etec and a Apex. Day one they asked me to slow down because it was so cold. Day two,they were opening the hood on my sled to make sure it was a 500. With that said, if your a corner to corner guy,go with the Rush. Big mileage guy,the Viper.i If I we're buying a trail sled to do big mileage ,hands down it would be a slightly used Vector. You can buy them for 50 cents on the dollar all day long.
 
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ezra

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yes tic I will say the old sit down zr /edge style sleds were and still are great tight trail sleds.
warm and handle like go carts. I am always surprised how far ahead a old school lazy boy can pull ahead in 20 min riding with a pack of so called advanced trail sleds when riding groomed tight twisty trail .
 

Woodtic

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Ezra,I've been schooled by some low hp carhart wearing locals to know, you don't need much of a sled to go corner to corner. Any one with a check book ,can be first one across the lake.
 

kip

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Fusion, that's a good honest non bias description of your experience. Any time you want to test drive the Viper just let me know. It's not a top end monster by any means but it's awful quick from point a to point b so in my humble opinion it would actually make a great corner to corner sled plus you will get the mileage and dependability of the Yamaha. Now the New Polaris AXYS has got some undeniably impressive numbers to back it up. I wish I had one for a demo but I don't. That 600 motor in that lighter chassis which works a ton better than the current Rush will be something to reckon with for sure!! By that I don't mean that the current Rush is bad, I just mean the AXYS is going to be that good. Strap in guys because all the O.E.M.'s are making such good products that our decisions on what to buy are going to keep getting more difficult!!!
 

whitedust

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I'm thinking new Vector with EPS & dampers should be in the mix too.....not your father's Vector with those features.:)
 

ezra

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all vectors are your fathers vector unless your kids are out of the house with careers then u are the father pushing grandfather. the target
 

whitedust

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all vectors are your fathers vector unless your kids are out of the house with careers then u are the father pushing grandfather. the target

Get your butt on new Vector with EPS & dampers....you might change your mind by seat of your pants...never know until you try.
 
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fusion

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Well Kip thanks for the offer, when the time comes I will for sure get up there and let you give me the sales pitch. I like details, but mostly concerned about your honest opinions on that suspension and 3-4 year durability, which is as long as I'd probably keep a sled these days, but who knows. I'll try to get my brother up there too because he's really hot on the Viper right now. After looking at the pics of the Viper I gotta say it's burning a hole in my brain right about now, I just love the way that thing sits and looks. If the motor is anything comparable to the Vector that could be the sled for me. Just have to get past that chassis and that's gonna be a tough sell. That Vector must be loosening up or something (2011 - 1600 miles) because that motor impressed the heck out of me this weekend. Just perfect trail power for Vilas Cty twists and turns. The other thing you gotta love is the 18-19 MPG, can't beat it, not to mention the 87 octane.
 

snobuilder

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I traded between a 2010 Nytro RTX with a Skinz front end kit and a 2013 Indy 600 SP this season.
I also have put 15k an 08 Vector.
While not a Rush, I really liked the all around basic ride and fun factor of the Indy. Compared to the nytro, I could throw the Poo around and it was a blast. The 600 is probably as quick as the Nytro, but it takes time to wind up into the power where the Yamaha 3 cylinder is almost instant as an electrc motor with nearly complete lack of the whizzbang noises the 2 strokes need to exhaust.
Both of these sleds took me on 200 mile plus days and both were comfortable, but I have to give the nod to the Yamaha due to that sweetazz motor if pressed to choose.

On 80-100 mile fill ups the Nytro always took at least a full gallon less than the Indy which put the Poo at around 14-15 MPG, which combined with low oil consumption is solid economy to me.
After 2500 hiccup free miles so far on one belt and same slides the Polaris has been a great bargain even if I didn't get it at a "leftover" discount.

Where the Vectors are basicly buy, gas and go the Nytros take some tweeking to get them to handle well but the motor and less weight makes it worth it.

After the first season, it looks like the Viper takes the Nytro and the 1050cc motor to the next level but with Vectors being over shadowed as yesterdays news, they can be had for alot less than the Vipers which makes them a great bargain IMO.
 
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whitedust

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Yamaha also has been quietly tweaking Vector mono II ,eps + added dampers this year with snowcheck. 14 Vector with eps blew me away ...what a surprise handling wise just didn't expect it & can understand why attack man's bud long time poo guy walked out with new Vector LTX. Venturenorth called it a toy felt so light to him but bought an SE for more heft.lol To me the 14 Vector LTX was sleeper sled of the year that nobody knows about....thinking same /old same old but ride it & WOW!!
 

ragex2

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As another comparo, i have a 10 vec ltx and after many years on yams, i bought a 13 doo renegade 1200 adrenaline. thought if i didn't like it, just trade for another yamaha. but i like it, gonna keep it and the vector. after 1500 miles on each i found they have different personalities but both great machines. the Rmotion is amazing with no shock-tweaking as with the vector RA, but the vec can be as good, just have to tune on the dials, front and rear. 1200 motor is as good as the yam, a bit more power, abit less fuel economy. like crown royal and jim beam....both great, just different flavors!
 

miked

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My wife is on her second Vector....5800 on her 2007 (for sale right now) and 5400 on her 2010. She loves it...and I love that motor. I also love that in terms of reliability, the Vector is second to none. Turn key and go for over 10,000 mile between the two of them...can't ask for much more. I am on my second Ski Doo 1200...have a 2010 TnT with 7000 miles on it and just bought a 2014 1200 Renegade. I was really torn between the Gade and the Viper, and rode both before buying. They are incredible sleds...the ProCross chassis is just great, but I liked the R-motion a little bit more, and I felt that the Ski Doo was way more predictable in the turns. The other reason I did that is because next year when I buy a new sled for my wife, I'm probably going to get her a Viper. That way I can ride both!
 
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